Comment by riazrizvi

Comment by riazrizvi 3 hours ago

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My first-hand experience of the healthcare system in the USA leads me to conclude we don’t have good data on pathological anxiety levels. Psychiatry is over-incentivized to positively diagnose.

You can get diagnosed with ‘anxiety’ when you’ve been in a hard circumstance for a while, since it’s simply a self-reporting questionnaire on levels of concern. That’s not a way to determine pathology - how do they tell when it’s appropriate behavior, eg when you’re actually in a dangerous situation.

This economy, since the financial crisis, has had weak employment (when you factor in not-in-workforce trends over the last 50 years), being under-employed for a long time is a threat to life. You can be in a location or situation where you’re blind to a loss of economic opportunity because there is so much misinformation. Anxiety is not maladaptive then.

This happened to me, and when my situation finally began to improve after a change in direction, my anxiety went down. Before I made that change, I found anti-anxiety meds put me in a dysfunctional ‘happy’ state, that made it harder to course correct or care about my reality. So I quickly stopped taking them last year, shortly after receiving them. And yet a diagnosis was made then, and looking at my medical report, this so called disease remains on my medical record. Ridiculous. All that self-reporting showed was normal human behavior.

Luckily, at the worst time, I also hedged by seeing separately a psychologist who helped me understand through a series of interviews that all my behavior was appropriate to my situation.

kstrauser 2 hours ago

I went to a psychiatrist to be evaluated for ADHD. He diagnosed me with anxiety, saying that being anxious made it hard for me to focus.

Uh.

I went to another doc who diagnosed me with and started treating me for ADHD. Boom. Anxiety gone. Turns out I was just super anxious about having a hard time working on the un-shiny things I needed to be working on.

  • DANmode 12 minutes ago

    It’s so nice when you finally feel okay.

    I received both of these diagnoses,

    and then ended up finding mold toxicity, Lyme, high levels of EBV, mycoplasma pneumoniae, and staph in some dental work.

    Resolving all of those (a long process!) has left me cool as a cucumber, in comparison. Higher bandwidth, effective.

    No easy feat - but it was better to work on that list than a permanent list of conditions like I was left with!

    • kstrauser a minute ago

      Wow, I definitely had the easier of our two ordeals! I'm glad you got that all sorted out.

  • patates 2 hours ago

    I'd kindly point out that anxiety is usually a side effect of ADHD and usually the link is not as obvious as the one you point out.

    However, I'm glad things are working out for you :)

    • kstrauser an hour ago

      It’s different for everyone, of course. In my case, it was almost entirely about me being stressed out that it was impossible to get starting on big, looming projects before they became emergencies. “If I don’t do this, I’ll probably get fired. I know I have to do this. Why can’t I just do this?” is quite anxiety producing.

  • skeezyjefferson 2 hours ago

    It makes me uneasy how people with ADHD shopped around until they got a diagnosis like this. Surely you let the doctor tell YOU whats wrong with you, rather than you tell the doctor?

    • DANmode 10 minutes ago

      Have some confidence in your ability to learn.

      If you trust a general doctor’s read of you in 11 minutes a year more than your own, it’s time to look within way more often.

      Double-check yourself with your practitioner, but don’t sleep at the wheel.

      Because it is YOU at the wheel - regardless what anyone wants!

    • kstrauser an hour ago

      No way, no how. It’s called advocating for yourself, in the parlance of our times, and it’s not remotely limited to just this one aspect. Doctors are extremely busy and don’t have the time to go Dr. House on your specific case. If you go in with symptoms A, B, and C, and they stop listening at A and diagnose you with something that causes A, insist that they consider B and C, too.

      Also, a good doctor won’t take issue with this, so long as you don’t insist that your 5 minutes on WebMD is right and they’re wrong.

      Analogy: If someone at work says they can’t log in, and also that their already logged in password queries don’t work, it could mean that the login service is down and the database is down. It could also mean that AWS is down, and rebooting those other services isn’t going to fix the common root cause.

    • voakbasda 2 hours ago

      There are a lot of bad doctors out there. Like, dangerously bad.

      If you think a doctor is wrong, they very well might be, particularly if you have already done your homework. This is not the old days, where medical knowledge is exclusively available to doctors. In fact, it is a huge risk to go in unprepared and ignorant of the possibilities, because misdiagnoses are not uncommon if critical symptoms get overlooked due to the patient not presenting them.

      Ask yourself not how many doctors graduated with honors. Ask yourself how many barely graduated after cheating their way through the program and are now faking their way through life.

    • swiftcoder 2 hours ago

      If the medical system was infallible, you'd have a solid point. In practice, medical professionals operate within their own biases, rather than being purely objective observers of your symptoms

  • kmos 2 hours ago

    What medication do you take? Stimulants seems to create more anxiety.

    • kstrauser an hour ago

      I tried Focalin, and ended up on plain Adderall. For me, they didn’t create any anxiety at all, or any other noticeable side effects or adverse reactions. I count myself very lucky.

  • johnbellone 2 hours ago

    Both can be true.

    • kstrauser an hour ago

      Of course! And everyone is different. In my specific case, only one was true. Treating the root cause fixed all the related symptoms. Others will have different experiences.

throw7494949 3 hours ago

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  • riazrizvi 3 hours ago

    I was commenting on what I saw to be the diagnostic process. What did you see of the process?

    • throw7494949 2 hours ago

      I guess experience depends. If positive diagnosis, is attached to some sort of compensations.

      If psychiatry can sell you cheep medicine for a huge profit, they will overdisgnose.

      If employer, institute, state, or university would have to pay compensations, they will under diagnose.

      About 20% of US population went through horrible sexual abuse (documented fact). I would not discount the amount of people who have anxiety and PTSD from past events.

  • chucksmash 3 hours ago

    > Got no compensation

    Did you bring a lawsuit? In such a situation you don't need to rely on the kindness of people's hearts.

    • throw7494949 3 hours ago

      Yes, I did, no result. First bite is free!

      If animal has no documented history of attacks, owner has no way to know their aggressive animal could harm people. And they are not responsible!

      • pxc 2 hours ago

        It probably wasn't even the first bite. Most victims of dog bites are friends of a biting dog's owner, with implicit (and sometimes explicit) pressure not to report. I've met people whose dogs have bit as many as seven people without having a formal bite record.

      • SJMG 2 hours ago

        I assume they put the dog down though? My understanding is that's what happens in these cases.

  • khannn 2 hours ago

    Dog?

    • throw7494949 2 hours ago

      No, rabbit. Dogs are amazing smart creatures, they would never harm anyone!

      • __float 2 hours ago

        This conversation has drifted very far from the original post, and it was only ever tangentially about anxiety anyway.

        This is also simply not true: we have so many examples of horrific dog bites, with normally-well-behaved animals, well-meaning owners, etc.

      • lan321 2 hours ago

        Damn, how did a rabbit fuck you up so bad? Infection?

        I've always seen them at the level of chickens. We even had some as livestock when I was a kid but they were in a cage all the time.

      • Bluescreenbuddy 2 hours ago

        How big was this rabbit? Holy shit I never thought of a rabbit attacking someone.

        • technothrasher 2 hours ago

          Not old enough for Jimmy Carter's swamp rabbit? or Monty Python's Rabbit of Caerbannog?