Comment by myrmidon

Comment by myrmidon 2 hours ago

> Industries that cant comply to modern standards should be harmed.

Those "modern standards" need to be codified into law, and feedback from established companies is valuable for doing that.

> We dont need industries willing to pay lobbyists to keep fossil fuels alive for example.

Those lobbyists represent the interests of a good portion of the economy. If you disregard their feedback, your risk damaging/destabilizing your economy for unclear gain, and the resulting backlash is going to more than undo any progress you made anyway.

LunaSea 2 hours ago

> [...] feedback from established companies is valuable for doing that.

This is exactly what led us to fall behind in electric car development and construction.

It's the "unreasonable" rules that were unilaterally implemented that made car companies panic and finally start competing.

> Those lobbyists represent the interests of a good portion of the economy

No, they represent the interests of a few shareholders.

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myrmidon 2 hours ago

> It's the "unreasonable" rules that were unilaterally implemented that made car companies panic and finally start competing.
I believe the margin for effective regulation is much smaller than you think.
Sure, the EU could've mandated zero-emission vehicles from 2020 on in, say, 2010. But what would have happened? Carmakers would have made giant losses because their production facilities become worthless overnight (and laid off swathes of people); prices for vehicles and transport would've invariably gone through the roof and it is quite likely that the whole industry would have picked the "wrong" technology to bet on, like fuel cells, synthetic fuel or even hydrogen combustion.
Compare how much pushback you get in the general population against costly pro-climate policy already (very important to look past your own bubble on this!) and it seems clear to me that this would have failed competely (doing great economical damage, possibly a full-blown crisis), and would have probably been rolled back by the next election at the latest.

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