Comment by tcoff91

Comment by tcoff91 20 hours ago

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I was a big fan of a good keyboard-driven git TUI like magit, neogit, lazygit, etc... (as long as you learn the CLI first and understand it).

Now I no longer directly use git, but instead use jujutsu (jj).

Once I became very proficient in the jj cli, I picked up jjui: https://github.com/idursun/jjui

Also, as splitting commits is an extremely frequent operation, this neovim plugin is really nice: https://github.com/julienvincent/hunk.nvim

Also this neovim plugin is amazing for resolving jj conflicts: https://github.com/rafikdraoui/jj-diffconflicts

Now with jj instead of git I edit the commit graph as effortlessly as if I am moving lines of code around a file in my editor.

dizzant 20 hours ago

Thank you for the many tool links! You seems to know this space well. I have come to pick your brain for more.

I have been searching for a while for good tools to split/regroup diffs in a patch series. hunk.nvim looks interesting. Do you know of similar/competing tools?

I frequently hit a problem where removing a spurious hunk from an old commit causes cascading conflicts in all subsequent commits. Are there tools to propagate hunk removal into the future without the manual conflict-resolution pain?

Thanks again!

  • muti 15 hours ago

    Are you looking for solutions within git or jj?

    In my experience with jj when resolving a conflict, as long as I do it in the earliest change, I will only have to do it once.

    Git has the rerere setting [0] which reduces the need to resolve the same conflict over and over

    0: https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Tools-Rerere

  • wredcoll 12 hours ago

    I can't help with your actual problem but I am incredibly curious about how/why you run into this so frequently you need a tool for it. I feel like in my 15 or whatever years of using git I have basically never wanted to remove a hunk from an old commit or anything similar.

    • __float 12 hours ago

      I try to leave a good commit trail in my PRs. These are often _not_ the reality of how the code was written and originally committed, but a rough approximation of the intended steps with the benefit of hindsight.

      A tool like https://github.com/tummychow/git-absorb has been on my to-try list for a while, but for now I do it by hand.

      • greenicon 3 hours ago

        git absorb works surprisingly well. I was quite skeptical in the beginning, but it really turned into something I used daily (until I switched to jj, where I haven't found a replacement yet). If you use stepwise commits I can really recommend it.

        small edit: It seems that jj supports `jj absorb` now as well. Wonderful!

  • stavros 19 hours ago

    Not the GP, but I might recommend Jujutsu for that, try it and see. It does the right thing when you resolve commits, and it propagates them to git. However, I'm not sure if it'll work, try it and see.

stavros 19 hours ago

Jujutsu is much better than git, and I've switched to it completely, but I do still use lazygit for one thing: It has better diff viewing, it separates the diffs by file and they look nicer. It's the only thing keeping me on lazygit, as jjui is much better otherwise.

  • onraglanroad 19 hours ago

    Git doesn't fundamentally work with diffs (patches). It stores the complete file and generates a diff.

    So you can use any diff tool you like with git, and I presume also with JJ. Look for the setting.

    Edit: in git it's the diff.external setting

    • stavros 18 hours ago

      I know I can. I want to use jjui, but its UI isn't as good, so I use lazygit.

      • SAI_Peregrinus 18 hours ago

        There's also lazyjj. I haven't really bothered with a TUI yet so can't say which has nicer diffs, but you might try it.

        • stavros 18 hours ago

          I've tried lazyjj, but jjui was better (at least, back when I tried it).

MrGreenTea 7 hours ago

also just to add that I've noticed that `jj` comes way easier and more intuitive to newbies I've mentored. Just yesterday I told a friend to commit his changes and he just wanted to do `git commit` (without remembering to do `git add` first). This made me realize we should just install `jujutsu` for him and he's been committing very diligently afterwards. Can recommend trying this with any people you mentor/teach.

  • senekor 6 hours ago

    That's also my opinion, that jj should be easier for juniors to pick up. However, I felt like there's a lack of learning material targeted at people without prior VCS experience. That's why I wrote "Jujutsu for everyone": https://jj-for-everyone.github.io/.

socalgal2 13 hours ago

just to add to the chorus, I'm switching to jj as well. I haven't started using it in every project but it's only a matter of time I think.

That said, I do which for a more jj aware GUI. For one, it's nice to be able to quickly see diffs across a bunch of changes. I use gg for this but I'd prefer a side-by-side diff and, ATM it only has a traditional diff.

Also, watching the video of git butler, it seems like a jj UI could take a lot of inspiration. I'd love to be able to just drag changes rather than `jj rebase ...` and/or drag selections of lines.

I'd also like a nicer GUI for interactive splitting/rebasing than the TUI UI built into jj

moron4hire 13 hours ago

I think a big problem with Git is that it's not opinionated enough. Every team has their own Git flow because Git makes it possible to do so and most developers love nothing more than micro optimizing every minute aspect of any work that is not the task they've been assigned this sprint (myself included), or avoiding learning anything at all (half of my coworkers) thereby leaving the decisions to people like me. I'd much prefer a tool that has one way to do things and everyone just had to "get with the program." Instead, we have this Swiss Army knife that can do anything but requires arcane knowledge of how to do things that are just slightly off the beaten path.

I'm very comfortable with Git and have saved coworkers in just a few minutes from what they thought was going to be missing days of work. But I'd much rather if they had never gotten into that situation or could easily fix it themselves. I don't like the idea of every software team needing a Git expert in easy reach just in case something goes awry.

  • duskdozer 8 hours ago

    If you could make it opinionated in one or two ways, how would you do it? I'm having a hard time thinking about situations that would be solved by this

    • moron4hire an hour ago

      Actually, the more I think about it, the more I realize the problem is that Git is too opinionated about a bad idea: attempting to make a DAG feel like a linked list in order to make it "easier" to use from the CLI because CLIs make it way too hard to visualize DAGs (don't come at me with your CLI DAG viz. Even the best ones are strictly inferior to the simplest GUI DAG viz).

      There are really only two things I care about: the state of the files on disk and the state of the index. And I really only care about where I am and where I want to go, everything else in the middle is noise.

      To me, the staging area isn't "real", it's just a tool for working with the other two. Git doesn't need to pitch a hissy fit about editing history. Allowing easy edits of history would obviate the need for the staging area. But because they called it "history", now we have emotional responses to the concept of editing it, like we're somehow committing political revisionism.

      But the existence of the staging area and the attempt at making the DAG look linear makes reseting ridiculous. Every time I need to do some kind of reset that isn't --hard, I have to read my Git GUI's descriptions of what each type does, and yet somehow it still doesn't have the combination I actually want half the time. All these named reset types could just be two separate reset commands, both pointing to a commit, one resetting the files on disk, one resetting the index. Sometimes I end up having to do a two step reset of a combination of hard forward then soft backwards to get what I want.

      Similarly, all the different merge strategies are dumb. None of them ever do the right thing. I'm always getting stupid shit like new blocks that insert a new ending curly brace after the previous block, followed by the new block body, then the original ending curly brace from the old previous block. Half the time I just use the reset hard/soft to then manually review changes to enact a manual merge rather than trust merge to do anything reasonable.

      Sacred history makes it way too hard to organize commits in any logical way. I want my VCS to be a super-powered UNDO. I don't need it to be an audit log of who did what and when (auditability only matters for releases so why do I have to be saddled with it minute by minute?). I basically want to be able to edit two or more commits in a sequence as easily as I currently can edit the staging area, so I can easily guarantee ordering of changes to partially related modules that I'm working on together. C depends on B depends on A. I want to be able to work on all three at the same time, but make sure all changes to A come first, then B, then C, and I want to be able to do this incrementally over the course of the day, rather than all at once when everything is perfect.

      But this fetish of not changing history even though we can totally change history biases all other Git tooling to attempt to appear like it operates in linear history. Like how there's the HEAD pointer that can be offset; uuuh, what happens if that offset reaches a fork (I've never tried, the poor DAG experience of the CLI has kept me in GUIs which makes the HEAD pointer completely unnecessary). Or how log is basically unreadable.

      Don't even get me started on submodules vs subtrees. I have to get to work.

  • Aperocky 10 hours ago

    In the past we would say google it but it's even more inexcusable today with LLMs.

    And if something becomes really hard to do with git, I found that often the problem are on the project itself.

  • wredcoll 12 hours ago

    This is a good point, git is more like a very clever toolbox than an actual "version control system". You can certainly implement a vcs using git, but it doesn't exactly start out as one.

_betty_ 6 hours ago

ooh that's interesting, wonder if that works better than git eorktrees when playing with multiple AI agents