Comment by protocolture

Comment by protocolture 12 hours ago

How do you figure?

Like theres plenty of information thats not public, but isnt confidential either. Accessing that information can be exceptionally lucrative. Now if that information is used to trade publicly traded shares, that can be criminal (the ethics of the situation are another matter) but if you were to instead, provide product or service on that basis, you are in fact just a well connected salesman. Not everything that doesn't go to a public tender is corruption.

giantg2 12 hours ago

To get to the level of hundreds of millions in value over the standard process, would indicate a breech of shareholder responsibility to make the best returns instead of cutting a deal for someone you know. This can potentially undermine market integrity. Even on a smaller scale, most people disapprove of nepotism and chronyism.

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protocolture 10 hours ago

>To get to the level of hundreds of millions in value over the standard process, would indicate a breech of shareholder responsibility to make the best returns
That doesn't make sense? Like if I know someone who can make your product, and you are happy with the price per unit, connecting you to that someone isnt a breech of shareholder responsibility to either party.

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- giantg2 8 hours ago
  
  The connection isn't worth hundreds of millions unless you're getting hundreds of millions over the normal market channels. This means that you must be getting a better price not available through the normal market. The only reason you could get that price with a connection vs without a connection implies some sort bad action.
  
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  protocolture 6 hours ago
  
  >over the normal market channels
  You normally get zero until you acquire a customer. Then you get money in exchange for contracted goods and services.
  >This means that you must be getting a better price not available through the normal market.
  No?
  >The only reason you could get that price with a connection vs without a connection implies some sort bad action.
  "Bad Action" is doing a lot of work here. I have seen a lot of things done in the name of networking. I only really get concerned when there's no replacement mechanism, like a not for profit. A not for profit has generally little understanding of market forces, and they can be convinced to pay a lot things they don't need and don't feel that pinch due to competition.
  But if Manager A has a 400 million dollar budget, and Provider B can provide service their needs under that budget and turn a profit, and has the capability to land Manager A as a customer, what "Bad Action" are you possibly afraid of? If the leader of Provider B has also a personal relationship with several decision makers, who will follow him to Provider C because they enjoy his services, why do you take offense?
  I know a guy, he provides services to the hospitality industry. His customers are 4 local booze barons. Each baron brings 4-5 pubs/clubs/restaurants/strip clubs each. These guys have issues finding service providers who work all hours in less than admirable working conditions. They can get bartenders, security etc themselves, but they cant find management/IT/telephony/communications and other service industry side troubleshooting at all hours, that's actually competent. This bloke does all of it. He is a one man band, and he makes himself available 24/7/365. He has told me stories about working all night, taking a lady home, getting a call, paying for her uber and heading back to the city. He isnt defrauding anyone by being really good at what he does, and building on that a really good working relationship with his customers. And thats when things become personal, those booze barons would 100% follow him to any future employer if he decided to stop working solo. He could personally bring something like 900K of recurring revenue to an employer, possibly (i suspect) a lot more than that. That's a micro scale example but it does scale. I know another guy who can hold down 3-4 million of IT contracts from various customers. Just a really good sales engineer. And he gets paid accordingly by any of his employers. An ISP sales manager probably handles 30-40 million of contracts. If they don't give him a non compete, and he wanders to another employer, same again.
  
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