Comment by teiferer

Comment by teiferer 2 days ago

31 replies

> I hadn’t interacted with any of the office staff, but they’d seen me.

This story would have taken a very different turn if early on he had realized that befriending the office staff would have scored him a permanent place in one of those empty unused cubicles. No need to be best friends, but just being friendly and forthcoming now and then would have avoided their attitude of "who's that weirdo let's involve the site manager to get rid of him". It fits with his lonely wolf persona though which makes it easier for him to be a hero in his story and which he seems to cultivate in purpose.

ofalkaed 2 days ago

Being the weirdo frees you from a great many time consuming pleasantries. Making friends might secure a permanent place but it also means a few minutes from every break will be lost to small talk and sometimes the entire break; you see a self serving lone wolf casting himself as the hero, I see someone just trying to find a way to do what is important to him. I am fairly certain that much of the eccentric artist image is just frustration over small talk.

  • skeeter2020 2 days ago

    >> a great many time consuming pleasantries.

    It makes me sad that pleasantries are viewed by some as a time-consuming chore. You can recognize that person who really cares about how you are doing or what you did on the weekend, and it makes you warm inside. You don't need to shoot the shit for 30 minutes, but human interaction is what builds community, and most of us like that; all of us need it.

    • layer8 2 days ago

      For some people, “pleasantries” are mentally taxing, and while you can force yourself to feign interest in someone’s random weekend activity, you can’t force yourself to actually find it interesting if in reality you find it dull. The “chore” isn’t that it consumes time, it’s that not everyone finds it a pleasant thing to do with any random person.

    • tonyarkles 2 days ago

      It’s a mixture for sure. My time is divided between a WfH desk and a (shared with one coworker) private office at a Co-working space. I love my coworker dearly. I also have made a handful of friends in the space that, like you say, they truly care about how I’m found and that feeling is reciprocal and definitely makes me warm and fuzzy.

      And sometimes I just really need to be able to walk over to the coffee maker and refill my cup while processing a complex problem in my head. Unfortunately due to my brain wiring, having even that 5 minute conversation makes a ton of that problem solving context evaporate and it’s exceptionally frustrating when that happens.

      I’m fortunate that I can plan where I’m going to be working based on the probability of working on hard problems on a given day. The pleasantries are deeply pleasing for me, except when they’re not.

    • HeinzStuckeIt a day ago

      Community is built through third places, neighbourship, inter-family ties, and other deep and lasting connections between people. That a workplace is a place for community is an unfortunate belief that arose in the USA in recent Bowling Alone decades just because Americans largely don’t perceive any other time and place for community.

      • jimbokun a day ago

        It’s true that work place socialization is not sufficient, but back when all those forms of community were in abundance people still engaged in workplace pleasantries.

        • HeinzStuckeIt a day ago

          Yes, but they didn’t need workplace pleasantries in order to feel community like the OP suggested.

    • jimbokun a day ago

      But when you are trying to finish writing projects in 10 minute chunks that really adds up.

  • sam-cop-vimes 2 days ago

    Indeed - and break times don't seem to be very long. "fifteen minutes for coffee and then half an hour for lunch" - no time to waste on pleasantries when that is all the break you get!

    This guy is amazing - the dedication to his craft is inspiring!

    • oofbey 2 days ago

      Super inspiring. A lot to read between the lines. Probably fairly introverted - prefers to be by himself than joking with coworkers. But not so much so that he can’t. He’s just really driven to be creative. And found a way, even though life took him down a very different path. “Let your wallet be your guide” is a good reminder that realistically there’s probably no chance he could make a living as a writer - very few can. But he made it happen anyway. Bravo!

  • wmeredith 2 days ago

    People doing exclusively what's important to them is fine until they need a network/community.

    • wrsh07 2 days ago

      Isn't the point of this essay that he doesn't? I'm so confused by these responses

      It's a great piece of writing. We don't have enough contractors with truck desks writing or programming or making art.

  • jmnicolas 2 days ago

    a great many time consuming pleasantries

    Oh the horror!

    • user_7832 2 days ago

      > a great many time consuming pleasantries

      > Oh the horror!

      Indeed, that is precisely the case for some folks - with social anxiety. Or autism. Or a number of other mental states.

      Maybe they're tired to their bones and barely have energy to even have one meal a day? Maybe they lost a loved one and never quite recovered since then?

      It costs nothing to be polite and assume best intentions from the other side.

    • wrsh07 2 days ago

      In this particular case, there's someone whose most precious moments are their breaks during the day, and rather than saying "good on them for finding a way to do the thing they are most passionate about" the response is "gee they should have used that extremely limited free time to.... have the most shallow of conversations"?

      Pleasantries are fine, but that was never going to be a long term solution for him. He needed a space that was always available to him, where he is always welcome. For better or worse, that's not the site office. (Even if it worked on that job, you don't stay in one place as a contractor)

    • ofalkaed 2 days ago

      [flagged]

      • scrumper 2 days ago

        And as a comment on an article written by, and about, a man who works a manual labor job because he can't support himself as a writer despite having published novels.

        Most guilty, indeed.

        • randallsquared 2 days ago

          The vast majority of authors, even most those who were quite prolific, have never been able to support themselves on that income alone, throughout the modern history of novels. This isn't new with LLMs.

      • dmd 2 days ago

        Please don't do this. You wouldn't shit in public. This is the same.

        • hrimfaxi 2 days ago

          I am horrified at the thought of this comment aging poorly.

runjake 2 days ago

Former “scummy contractor” here. So, a “contractor” being in the office is considered a mortal sin.

I don’t know why this is, but it’s always been this way. Workers don’t go into the building.

The office staff don’t want you there and if you stay too long, your fellow workers will rib you for hours about going to “the dark side”.

In my few years at the job, I had only been in the office area for 5 minutes to fill out some sort of paperwork. Most of that from when I was hired.

Seeing as he was in there on multiple occasions, he probably did establish rapport with the office staff, but left that out because it messed with the flow of the story.

  • sarchertech 2 days ago

    I worked at a warehouse tech startup that had offices attached to our warehouse. The conference rooms looked out over the warehouse floor through big glass walls.

    The warehouse workers were explicitly banned from entering the office space. I assume because the company didn’t want them enjoying the free snacks and catered lunches.

ZiiS 2 days ago

Someone who can write for the Paris Review and play politics would end up the site managers boss before he could stop it.

  • ckemere 2 days ago

    I had a friend who worked at a plant and was an author on the side. I don’t think there’s any evidence that good novelists (let alone merely promising ones) are likely to have personalities that make them likely to be bosses.

    • 2b3a51 a day ago

      How does this union thing work - getting laid off then being brought back on again when work picks up? How do you get to be on the union list?

      (I'm in the UK, and I tend to associate that kind of approach to casual employment with dock work in sea ports. That ended with containerisation in the 1980s)

      • fragmede a day ago

        Go to the union hall, sign up, pass a test, wait a lifetime (because there's a line of people ahead of you), get called in finally, start as an apprentice, work, do well, get put on the list as a trained apprentice, eventually get called into trained apprentice jobs, train up through the years, become a journeyman and later a master, all while cycling between working and waiting for work. If you're amicable, you can move up the list and get called more frequently because the person in control of the list can just do that, or alternately, someone at a job site can call for you specifically which will get you work faster than simply waiting around for work from the list.

        There are still union trades in the US, but they're a dying breed.

forgetfreeman 2 days ago

" if early on he had realized that befriending the office staff would have scored him a permanent place"

I feel like you don't have any first hand experience with the kind of classist horseshit that is endemic to these kinds of work environments.

  • teiferer 2 days ago

    I do, thus my comment.

    The key is to use this to your advantage.

    • arethuza 2 days ago

      It depends on the environment - many years ago I used to have temp job in the summer working on a large industrial plant that had a nice office building where the managers and admin staff were based. There were no signs saying "temp staff keep out" - and you did occasionally have to go in there but it was pretty clear to me that you couldn't go and hang out in there - particularly as the temps got all the muckiest, smelliest jobs in all weathers.

  • criddell 2 days ago

    In my experience, it isn't necessarily classist horseshit that divides office and shop (or field) workers.

    > They’d followed my oily bootprints down the hallway and begun to leer. Who is this diesel-stinking contractor?

    That's probably the real reason. Being a welder is messy, stinky work and office workers don't want that in their space.