Comment by soulofmischief

Comment by soulofmischief 2 days ago

10 replies

Can you point out when I shamed them?

I asked them a question and presented my own perspective and motivations for asking the question. They followed up, and I have responded. I see nothing wrong with discussing socioeconomics on Hacker News. Maybe instead of being negative, making insinuations and accusing me of shaming someone, you could just provide your own perspective, which I'd be happy to engage with.

> Now I'm even more confused because you experienced this first hand but can't imagine how someone can engage in practices that have nothing to.do with personal values to keep their families fed and sheltered.

Principles are principles. I live and die by them. I'm not perfect, but it's the thing I try to maintain that separates me from those who have contributed to the suffering in my life. I don't expect everyone to understand this.

I'm not religious, but I do have a patron saint, Joan of Arc. She was burned at the stake at 17 for refusing to bow to the Church. I haven't been killed for my beliefs, but there were definitely times I feared that I would be. I have suffered immense abuse for standing by my principles, when most would have caved.

I'm not asking anyone else here to hold to my standards, but I do have my own standards and the nature of growth involves finding chances to challenge them.

jrflowers a day ago

>Can you point out when I shamed them?

Probably the part where someone who was not talking to you mentioned a product that some people use and you responded with a 200 word mini essay about your conscience and feelings about consumerism. Nobody asked you about your principles nor was the discussion even remotely related to that.

The thread about the widget that generates Instagram posts from websites is a bizarre place to share, unprompted, that you have lived in abject poverty but also somehow never worked a job that didn’t meet your rigorous ethical standards. Like, cool man. That’s super weird and most people that have lived in poverty haven’t had that experience, so the only thing you’re communicating is your moral superiority. Which again, is both weird by itself and weird in the thread about the thing that generates Instagram posts from a website.

Edit: To be clear, I am not insinuating that your post was meant to shame the person you responded to, I am flat-out stating that your post was obviously intended to shame the person you responded to. Any argument to the contrary could only consist of you demanding that other people read the words that you wrote and selectively assign different meanings to them until it makes you look good.

  • mfru a day ago

    "I read the words you said in the worst possible way" is not the logical statement you want it to be

    "also you are weird, like so weird, like look at how weird you are" is kinda just rude, seems really weird to reprimand someone for a fantasy you summoned

    • jrflowers 5 hours ago

      > "also you are weird, like so weird, like look at how weird you are" is kinda just rude

      I like that what I said was on screen while you were writing this and you chose to type out something that I didn’t say

      “Ringo wasn’t just the best Beatle he was also the tallest and fastest. He could run a three minute mile. I saw him pick a apple from the top of the tree without a ladder. He was the best friend to me, George Harrison, the Beatle” sounds far fetched and I want you to know that I didn’t believe that when you said it in the post I’m responding to

      • soulofmischief 2 hours ago

        So you are claiming to not understand what paraphrasing is. You're being either ignorant or deceitful. Pick one.

        Your posts are extremely negative and disingenuous, you are arguing in bad faith, and you are bent on finding the worst possible interpretation of every comment in this thread which isn't yours, while expecting the best possible interpretation of your own comments.

        Review the Hacker News guidelines. If you can't be assed to follow even a portion of them, this is the wrong community for you.

        https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

        • jrflowers 3 minutes ago

          It’s not bad faith to be direct. You asked where you were shaming and I pointed out where others drew that conclusion.

  • soulofmischief a day ago

    This is a very ironic comment, given that nobody asked you to butt into this conversation. Since you're fixating on projecting, being negative and making unfounded accusations, I'm going to ignore your comments and continue my conversation with awillen.

    • jrflowers 6 hours ago

      > This is a very ironic comment

      I mean it would be ironic if I wrote “I don’t shame people online because, forsooth, my ethics borne of the gauntlet of tragedy forbid it” or whatever but like instead I pointed out that the post you were getting indignant about actually sucked and deserved the criticism it got.

      • soulofmischief 31 minutes ago

        The only one attempting to speak from a moral or ethical high ground is you.

  • wholinator2 13 hours ago

    Damn man, i feel really bad for you. You're doing the exact thing you're criticizing and not even realizing it. To a calm observer with no skin in the game it really looks like you're completely detached from any ability to hold a calm conversation about things that might bother you. You have the freedom to ignore people you find "weird". Frankly i think it's pretty "weird" to be on this forum acting so juvenile. I don't know if your goal was to be so obtuse as to intentionally provoke others, and you should really think about that.

    It seems to me like there's people in here that have knowingly dedicated their lives to enriching themselves at the obvious and explicit cost of others. And some subset of those people are in denial about it. And some subset of those people don't have the emotional intelligence to confront a reality that contains people that actually are true and vitruous as they tell themselves they are. But hey, those are my assumptions based on only what I've seen in this thread and I'm willing to be incredibly wrong on this. I hope you have a nice Thanksgiving

    • jrflowers 6 hours ago

      Sorry I don’t want to be presumptive, are you trying to say that:

      in this one instance you took “what you said was weird and that’s why you got the response that you did” as being an attack on a person’s character,

      or are you saying that

      categorically, pointing out that “what you said was weird and that’s why you got the response that you did” is always an attack on somebody’s character?

      Like I’m trying to figure out if you’re sharing that you misunderstood a single post or that you categorically don’t understand an entire realm of communication.