Comment by strogonoff

Comment by strogonoff 2 days ago

10 replies

One can believe in the capability of a technology but on principle refuse to use implementations of it built on ethically flawed approaches (e.g., violating GPL licensing laws and/or copyright, thus harming open source ecosystem).

soulofmischief 2 days ago

What you see as copyright violation, I see as liberation. I have open models running locally on my machine that would have felled kingdoms in the past.

  • strogonoff 18 hours ago

    I personally see no issue with training and running open local models by individuals. When corporations run scrapers and expropriate IP at an industrial scale, then charge for using them, it is different.

    • soulofmischief 16 hours ago

      What about Meta and the commercially licensed family of Llama open-weight models?

      • strogonoff 5 hours ago

        I have not researched closely enough but I think it falls under what corporations do. They are commercially licensed, you cannot use them freely, and crucially they were trained using data scraped at an industrial scale, contributing to degradation of the Web for humans.

CamperBob2 2 days ago

AI is more important than copyright law. Any fight between them will not go well for the latter.

Truth be told, a whole lot of things are more important than copyright law.

  • esafak a day ago

    Important for whom, the copyright creators? Being fed is more important than supermarkets, so feel free to raid them?

    • CamperBob2 19 hours ago

      Conflating natural law -- our need to eat -- with something we pulled out of our asses a couple hundred years ago to control the dissemination of ideas on paper is certainly one way to think about the question.

      A pretty terrible way, but... certainly one way.

      • strogonoff 18 hours ago

        I am sure it had nothing to do with the amount of innovation that has been happening since, including the entire foundation that gave us LLMs themselves.

        It would be crazy to think the protections of IP laws and the ability to claim original work as your own and have a degree of control over it as an author fostered creativity in science and arts.

        • soulofmischief 16 hours ago

          Innovation? Patents are designed to protect innovation. Copyright is designed to make sure Disney gets a buck every time someone shares a picture of Mickey Mouse.

          The human race has produced an extremely rich body of work long before US copyright law and the DMCA existed. Instead of creating new financial models which embrace freedoms while still ensuring incentives to create new art, we have contorted outdated financial models, various modes of rent-seeking and gatekeeping, to remain viable via artificial and arbitrary restriction of freedom.

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