Comment by johnisgood a day ago
Everyone who tells me this, I would love them to write an useful project in Forth. ;)
Guess what? They would blame Forth, Common Lisp, etc., yet I could tell them the same things I am being told about Rust.
Sounds like you are heavily biased in favor of Rust. What you said about Forth and Common Lisp applies to Rust, too, no matter how much you are trying to deny the reality of it. Just admit that you love Rust, and quite biased in favor of it.
I do like Rust quite a bit. I don't know Forth or Common Lisp as well, but I don't dislike them. I admit, I have learned very little about them from you so far.
You strike me as someone who isn't really prepared to have an actual debate on technical matters, because all you have done is:
- manufacture some fictional strawman who is complaining about languages you like
- tell me I'm wrong without even bothering to get into why
- claim that I'm biased, when all I've done is explain my opinion that all three languages are challenging in different ways
You claimed much more than that.
See your statement: "Not so with with the first two! The mental models involved in reasoning about a piece of code require much more cognition on the part of the programmer.".
Your whole comment is about favoring Rust over those two because Rust is your beloved language.
Additionally, it is not up to me to teach you Forth nor Common Lisp.
Finally, you should read your own comment where you replace Rust with Common Lisp, for example, and Forth and Common Lisp with Rust. You may see what I was referring to.
In fact, let me do it for you:
> Rust is demanding, but they demand different things of the novice programmer than Common Lisp. The latter's baroque syntax is not provably good or necessary, but I'd call it the other end of a compromise for safety and expressiveness. And once you learn it, you've learned much of the language by default.
> Not so much with Rust! The mental models involved in reasoning about a piece of code require much more cognition on the part of the programmer.
See it yet?
Forth and Common Lisp are demanding, but they demand different things of the novice programmer than Rust.
The latter's baroque syntax is not provably good or necessary, but I'd call it the other end of a compromise for safety and expressiveness. And once you learn it, you've learned much of the language by default.
Not so with with the first two! The mental models involved in reasoning about a piece of code require much more cognition on the part of the programmer.