Comment by viraptor
Comment by viraptor 2 days ago
Or you know, they may be serious and grown up enough to not be bothered by an image of an anime cat girl. There's really nothing there to be offended by.
Comment by viraptor 2 days ago
Or you know, they may be serious and grown up enough to not be bothered by an image of an anime cat girl. There's really nothing there to be offended by.
Thank you for putting into words what I could not. "Nerd culture" has fallen a long way since the early 2000s and your quote about decency and intersocial relations spoke to me.
It is really bizarre how everybody tries to make it about politics. While I may or may not disagree with a developer's politics, it's their conduct that I care about, and I associate those who express appreciation for anime at every possible opportunity with especially poor conduct and have yet to have encounter an exception to the rule.
The amount of flags I'm seeing for posts simply expressing disagreement on the matter is quite worrying.
It's not just "not wanting" something, the original comment wasn't nearly that mild. It's being enraged by it to the extent of making petty, low, personal attacks on someone who steps just barely out of line of their preferred behaviors.
This whole comment chain solidifies my opinion that disgust is one of the driving human emotions. People feel initial, momentary disgust and only then explain it using the most solid justification that comes to mind, but the core disgust is unshakable and precedes all explanations. No one here has managed to procure any argument for why seeing a basic sketch in a certain style is objectively bad or harmful to someone, only that it's "weird" in some vague way. Basically, it goes against the primal instinct of how the person thinks the world "ought to work", therefore it's bad, end of story.
To me it seems obvious. The anime art style is in, especially in Western countries, especially^2 among younger people, and especially^3 among techy people. Ergo, you may see a mascot in that style once in a while in hobbyist projects. Doesn't seem like anything particularly objectionable to me.
It isn't a driving human emotion. The world is full of serious businesses that use "cute" icons or employ anime-styled elements, and most people don't care. It's just a subset of tech and CS people who feel compelled to register their disdain at every opportunity.
And yet if you bring up that "Gimp" is an unserious name, or anything about RMS that's far more problematic than a cute cartoon, that same subset will defend it to the death.
> It isn't a driving human emotion. The world is full of serious businesses that use "cute" icons or employ anime-styled elements, and most people don't care. It's just a subset of tech and CS people who feel compelled to register their disdain at every opportunity.
I'm not talking about anything this narrow - disgust manifests itself in every facet of human life, this comment thread is just one minor example. Lots of laws were initially justified by some form of disgust. There's practically an infinite number of examples of people feeling immediately "icky" about something (absolutely anything, applicable at any point in history) and only then trying to create a justification for these feelings, basically working backwards to make their instincts seem more reasonable and palatable. You can easily spot it because when one justification is taken down, another one takes its place, and it can go on for eternity - justifications are temporary, the only thing that's permanent is the unshakable feeling of correctness and righteousness about the initial disgust. Notice how OP's argument about standards and professionalism was quickly swapped out for a more dignified version of "well, I just feel like everyone who likes XYZ is a sweaty anti-social manchild", as soon as arguing the original point became more difficult?
I'd argue there's a difference between a funny mascot or punny name (that have been used in professional environments) and a mascot that looks like a child and is designed to look "cute" or "silly" to a fandom mostly comprising of eccentric (in a bad way) grown men. I don't think I've ever seen a developer on the internet who publicly enjoys anime who didn't act neurotically or childishly, although that's just anecdotal.
> The world is full of serious businesses that use "cute" icons or employ anime-styled elements
I can't think of any outside of Japan.
> This is some real four-dimensional chess. "You're the childish one for not wanting Japanese cartoons on software projects!"
I would be OK with the sentence if it was "You're the childish one for not wanting Japanese cartoons on your software projects!".
As you wrote it, well, that's none of your business.
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Mister simplex, having a preference for small internet to crumble under the shit LLM companies are piling upon it to being exposed once in a while to an inoffensive image of an anime character would make for a very worrisome direction of my priorities if I were you.
> an anime cat-girl
> an animated cock and balls
You don't see a difference between these things?
If it were just the imagery I don't think this would be such a huge flashpoint relative to something like tux or octocat (the github mascot).
I guess I'm not seeing the special category that an anime cat girl sits in. Is there some kind of sex implication I'm just not aware of? Linux has a penguin, FreeBSD has a devil(!), OpenBSD has a blowfish, Go has the weird Gopher thing, Gnome has a foot...
Wikipedia suggests that there's an association with queer and trans youth, is that what's meant to make the cock-and-balls comparison work? But it also says it has a history back to 17th century Japan...
I am also not a fan, but since a recent discussion on HN I have been thinking about what I don't like about it.
The conclusion I have come to is more general: I just personally don't like nerd-culture. Having an anime girl (but the same would be the case for an star trek, my litte pony/furry, etc.-themed site) signifies a kind of personality that I don't feel comfortable about, mainly due to the oblivious social awkwardness, but also due to "personal" habits of some people you meet in nerdy spaces. I guess there is something about the fact of not distinguishing between a public presentation and personal interests that this is reminiscent of. For instance: A guy can enjoy model trains, sure, but he is your college at work and always just goes on about model trains (without considering if this interests you or not!), then the fact that this subsumes his personality becomes a bore or even just plain unpleasant. This is not to generalize that this is the case for everyone in these spaces, I am friends with nerdy-people on an individual basis, but I am painfully aware that I don't fit in perfectly like the last piece of a jigsaw puzzle -- and increasingly have less of a desire to do so.
So for me at least this is not offence, but in addition to the above also some kind of reminder that there is a fundamental rift in how decency and intersocial relations are imagined between the people who share my interests and me, which does bother me. Having that cat-girl appear every time I open some site reminds me of this fact.
Does any of this make sense? The way you and others phrase objections to the objections makes it seem like anyone who dislikes this is some obsessive or bigoted weirdo, which I hope I don't make the impression of. (Hit me up, even privately off-HN if anyone wants to chat about this, especially if you disagree with me, this is a topic that I find interesting and want to better understand!)