Comment by devjab

Comment by devjab 2 days ago

19 replies

As cool as this is there won't be an European alternative as long as all the apps you'd want to use on a smartphone require either Google Play or the Apple App store.

nicce 2 days ago

Huawei just created new OS and removed all traces of Android and Linux. Just like that. If there is will, it is possible.

  • fabrice_d 2 days ago

    No, the phone variant of HarmonyOS runs on top of a Linux kernel.

  • kelnos 2 days ago

    Can it run all of the kinds of apps that people (in the EU/US markets, which is relevant to the discussion at hand) actually want to run? SalifishOS doesn't even do that, at least not for me.

    • jajuuka 2 days ago

      If I remember correctly they have had a translation layer for android apps since they launched. But it's similar to what Apple has done with Rosetta 2 where it getting phased out for native apps only.

  • kube-system 2 days ago

    The will to create an OS is 0.0001% of the problem. There are tens of thousands of applications that people need to use that exist only for iPhone and Android.

    There are dozens of functional mobile OSes. And OS isn’t useful unless it has application support for the tasks people want to accomplish, though.

  • kaoD 2 days ago

    ...if there is will, a nice state sponsor and an already existing effective infrastructure.

    Europe has none of the 3.

m4rtink 2 days ago

Aren't you basically describing a chicken and egg problem?

  • devjab 2 days ago

    I think it's more of an EU problem. We have so many public apps that rely on two big American tech companies solely because the EU has yet to figure out an alternative app store with enough security to make those apps available. This likely made sense 10 years ago, but today with all the talk about digital sovereignty it's frankly a little weak. It's not the OS that is the issue though, I could use graphene or similar just fine, but they wouldn't let me run a single of the apps that are the sole reason I have a smartphone. Well.. maybe the Microsoft authenticator?

    I mean, I have to write exit strategies from Azure because the EU might demand our industry to leave non-EU infra. Yet ironically the digital company ID I would need to sign new contracts with within Europe aren't available without one of the two app stores. It's not that I can't sign those contracts without the ID, but I'd probably have to go to Germany in person.

    • miohtama 2 days ago

      There are exit strategies, but the EU is spineless to execute them. Just like with defence.

hkt 2 days ago

It runs Android apps. Presumably, it has access to the Play store in some capacity, or a viable alternative.

  • rchaud 2 days ago

    Access to the Play Store requires the proprietary Google Play Services code, so I doubt this has it. The alternative would be installing apps via APK files.

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    • rst 2 days ago

      According to Wikipedia,there are apps that provide an emulated Android environment ("Easy Abroad", "Droitong"), they're incomplete and glitchy, and a lot of important apps won't run at all (including banking apps and streaming services).

dredmorbius 2 days ago

The EU can address that issue through regulation and competition requirements.

muyuu 2 days ago

it does run some sort of Android emulation layer