Comment by noobermin
Comment by noobermin 2 days ago
Sure, just as long as we don't blame LLMs.
Blame people, bad actors, systems of incentives, the gods, the devils, but never broach the fault of LLMs and their wide spread abuse.
Comment by noobermin 2 days ago
Sure, just as long as we don't blame LLMs.
Blame people, bad actors, systems of incentives, the gods, the devils, but never broach the fault of LLMs and their wide spread abuse.
A large part of geopolitics is concerned with limiting the spread of weapons of mass destruction worldwide and to the greatest possible degree of efficacy. Moreover, the investment to train state-of-the-art models is greater than the Manhattan project and involves larger and more complex supply chains-- it cannot be done clandestinely. Because the scope of the project is large and resource-intensive there are not many bodies that would have to cooperate in order to place impassable obstacles on the path that is presently being taken. 'What if they won't cooperate toward this goal?' -- Worth considering, but the fact is that they can and are choosing not to. If the choice is there it is not an inevitability but a decision.
> Worth considering, but the fact is that they can and are choosing not to. If the choice is there it is not an inevitability but a decision.
Pakistan, Israel, North Korea and South Africa have nuclear weapons while not having the right to do so. So I'm not sure how banning graphics cards, thing we are already failing at in China right now will ever work. Especially if countries like China develop their own chip building capacities.
What evidence do you need exactly?
I think such statements are likely projections of people's own unwillingness to part with such tools given their own personal perceived utility.
I, for one, wouldn't give up LLMs. Too useful to me personally. So, I will always seek them out.
your spiritual predecessors campaigned against electricity, radio, audio recordings, TV, computers, video games, CGI, the internet, cellphones, smartphones, and perhaps a myriad other things.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/The_Unre...
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/musicians-wage-war-ag...
etc.
but yes, of course, this time it's going to be different, because unlike those boomers, you and your internet friends are on the right side of history.
>without much hard evidence.
1. China. China has the tech, the talent, and the hardware. you could (you can't), for example, equate LLMs to CSAM in the West to make it absolutely verbotten, but China wouldn't give a shit, and 93% of the world would use Chinese tech, dismissing your dollar store Butlerian Jihad as yet another bout of America's schizophrenia.
2. it's been less than 3 years since ChatGPT release, and it now has 800 million active weekly users. and it's not even available in China and Russia, where Deepseek and other Chinese models easily add another 200-300 million users. no other technology had such explosive proliferation before. good luck convincing all these people who now use it every day to give it up because... because it's bad, mkay?
3. unlike the previous one, the current US administration - which will remain in power for at least three more years - is not hostile to this technology. there will be no regoolations, no moratoriums, and no matter how utterly detached from reality the next administration might end up being, in three years it will be too late to do anything about it (even more so than now).
4. trillion dollar corporations have collectively invested hundreds of billions into this technology. oh, they would love some regulations to hamstring their competitors, but if you try to step on their toes, well, good luck.
5. local models are already good enough to be perpetually useful. what the fuck are you going to do, order door-to-door seizure of fully semi-automatic GPUs?
What would be the point of blaming LLMs? What would that accomplish? What does it even mean to blame LLMs?
LLMs are not submitting these papers on their own, people are. As far as I'm concerned, whatever blame exists rests on those people and the system that rewards them.
Guns have absolutely nothing to do with access to guns.
Guns are entirely inert objects, devoid of either free will nor volition, they have no rights and no responsibilities.
LLMs likewise.
To every man is given the key to the gates of heaven. The same key opens the gates of hell.
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/421467-to-every-man-is-give...
LLMs are tools that make it easier to hack incentives, but you still need a person to decide that they'll use an LLM t do so.
Blaming LLMs is unproductive. They are not going anywhere (especially since open source LLMs are so good.)
If we want to achieve real change, we need to accept that they exist, understand how that changes the scientific landscape and our options to go from here.