Comment by _heimdall

Comment by _heimdall 2 hours ago

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In my opinion, both spam and moderation are only really a problem when content is curated (usually algorithmically). I don't need a moderator and don't worry about spam in my RSS reader, for example.

A simple chronological feed of content from feeds I chose to follow is enough. I do have to take on the challenge of finding new content sources, but at least fore that's a worthwhile tradeoff to not be inundated with spam and to not feel dependent on someone else to moderate what I see.

kimixa 2 hours ago

That's just means you're effectively acting as a moderator yourself, only with a whitelist. It's just your own direct curation of sources.

And how did you discover those feeds in the first place? Or find new ones?

I know people have tried to have a relatively closed mesh-of-trust, but you still need people to moderate new applicants, otherwise you'll never get any new idea of fresh discussion. And if it keeps growing, scale means that group will slowly gather bad actors. Maybe directly by putting up whatever front they need to get into the mesh or existing in-mesh accounts. Maybe existing accounts get hacked. Maybe previously-'good' account-owning people have changed, be it in opinion or situation, to take advantage of their in-mesh position. It feels like a speedrun of the internet itself growing.

  • _heimdall an hour ago

    > That's just means you're effectively acting as a moderator yourself, only with a whitelist

    Agreed, though when you are your own moderator that really is more about informed consent or free will than moderation. Moderation, at least in my opinion, implies a third party.

    > And how did you discover those feeds in the first place? Or find new ones?

    The same way I make new friends. Recommendations from those I already trust, or "friend of a friend" type situations. I don't need an outside matchmaker to introduce me to people they think I would be friends with.

johnnyanmac an hour ago

I think it's the act of creating an access point that allows posting when you get spam, not necessarily if it's curated. Your email isn't a curated feed but it will get tons of spam because people can "post" to it once they get your address. Sane with your cell phone number and your physical mailbox.

Since a community requires posting and an access point, spam is pretty much inevitable.

  • _heimdall an hour ago

    Yeah I'd agree with that. In addition to being a list of content I subscribed to, an RSS feed benefits from being pull based. Email is push based, that breaks the self-moderation model

SoftTalker 28 minutes ago

A simple chronological feed of content is not social media though. That's just reading authors who you like.

  • _heimdall 26 minutes ago

    Well that depends on how we define social media. Facebook started out as a chronological feed, did it only become social media once it began algorithmically curating users' feeds?

    • SoftTalker 14 minutes ago

      I think it became social media when it enabled two-way/multi-way messaging, if that wasn't there from the start. If it was originally just a feed of posts, yeah it wasn't really social media, it was just another form of blogging.

      IIRC twitter was originally called a "micro-blogging" platform, and "re-tweeting" and replying to tweets came later. At that point it became social media.