Comment by kragen

Comment by kragen 9 hours ago

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9 if you count people from the Republic of China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_cou...).

But, since the Nobel was established, China has been invaded by Germany, Japan, Russia, Britain (largely India), France, the United States, Italy, Austria-Hungary, and Japan again, and had a civil war which hasn't technically ended (plus the end of the Boxer Rebellion), a revolution, and the worst famine in human history. But probably the worst event for its Nobel chances was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution. The civil wars also brought to power brutal dictatorships, including in the so-called Republic of China.

The US has been invaded zero times and had zero civil wars during that period, and in the US, the Cultural Revolution and dictatorship are just starting. Consequently many people who might have been Chinese, German, Japanese, Russian, etc., during the period in question were instead born in the US. And note that, on the page I linked above, 6 Nobel laureates from the US were actually born in China: Charles K. Kao, Daniel C. Tsui, Edmond H. Fischer, Yang, Tsung-Dao Lee, and Walter H. Brattain (!).

hker 8 hours ago

> 9 if you count people...

13 according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_Nobel_laureate..., including peace prize laureates Liu Xiaobo (2010) and the 14th Dalai Lama (1989).

> But, since the Nobel was established, China has been invaded...

> The US has been invaded zero times...

The number of external invasions is not a strong indicator of the number of Nobel Prizes, if you compare all countries, beyond just China or the US.

And as you mentioned, the Cultural Revolution greatly reduces the chance of Chinese Nobel, so internal events can take a large role. And Mao led to more deaths—not to mention destruction to science and culture—than external invasions in the last century combined.

> The civil wars also brought to power brutal dictatorships...

The dictatorship arguably hasn't ended, by taking another less brutal form. And to be precise, CCP brought the civil wars and its consequences, not the civil wars brought dictatorships.

  • synergy20 7 hours ago

    Mao killed less than Taiping Rebellion, which had 100M per some study. Mao is probably half of that ,still more than world war 1 and 2 combined.

    • kragen 5 hours ago

      Yes, but that was 50 years before the Nobel Prizes were established.

manquer 6 hours ago

> China has been invaded by ... Britain (largely India)

That is such an interesting characterization of the territorial disputes between PRC(and/or ROC) and RoI.

  • kragen 5 hours ago

    This was 40 years before the Republic of India was formed.

mytailorisrich 7 hours ago

The War of 1812... when the British burned down the White House and the Capitol surely has to count as an "invasion".

  • tpm 6 hours ago

    That was before Nobel prize was established.

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cnasc 8 hours ago

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  • kragen 8 hours ago

    It seems that you didn't understand the comment you were replying to, indeed having gone to great lengths to misinterpret it.

    • cnasc 8 hours ago

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      • kragen 8 hours ago

        No, you wrote that comment. The comment you misinterpreted did not say any of those things.