tom_alexander 10 hours ago

How would you do screen replacement? That is a common repair since people drop their phones and currently you can get your phone repaired by some teenager in a booth at the mall. If you fill the phone with epoxy, how are you detaching the screen, and getting a new ribbon cable through the epoxy?

  • GMoromisato 5 hours ago

    So what if you can't replace a screen on an epoxy-filled cell phone? That's a small price to pay for knowing that your camera will survive if you take a one-way trip to crush-depth.

    • blackoil 43 minutes ago

      Is this sarcasm? 99.999% people will never take it beyond a meter in a pool.

  • throwaway173738 10 hours ago

    use pogo pins or a board to board connector

    • bluGill 9 hours ago

      Which means air space that can get crushed. Either the phone is solid or it isn't.

      • JumpCrisscross 9 hours ago

        > Which means air space that can get crushed

        Would note that air isn't the only substance in a phone that compresses under 38 MPa. (Batteries come to mind.)

  • justsomehnguy 8 hours ago

    Just like they do it today - a lot of grinding, swearing and overall understanding what the civilization is going in not quite the right direction.

orbital-decay an hour ago

Filling dive watches with oil (hydro modding) is pretty popular. It mainly helps with visibility but also increases the depth rating.

userbinator 10 hours ago

I'm sure there are some companies who want to do that, as long as they can convince people it's better for security or something.

jjk166 10 hours ago

When was the last time your phone stopped working due mechanical PCB damage?

Typically the limiting factor on your phone is the screen breaking, your battery life getting too short, wear and tear on components like buttons or the charging port, and factory defects. Epoxy isn't going to help with any of those. The only thing it would help with is exposure to water, but if other parts of your phone like your screen aren't water proof, what's the point?

Epoxy adds weight and manufacturing cost. It introduces design challenges as you need to balance the thermal expansion of the various parts. It's an extra step that can go wrong, and makes repair of other defects far more difficult. What benefit is there for the typical consumer that outweighs these costs?

  • withinboredom 8 hours ago

    To add to that. My son got his phone caught in a reclining chair without realizing it. The fact that the phone bent in half instead of destroying the chair is a nice bonus. Replacing the phone was cheap, replacing a chair would not have been — yes, both are insured, but replacing/repairing a chair takes a hell of a lot longer.

    • Panzer04 7 hours ago

      I think most would disagree XD.

      Phones these days are often more expensive than the chair and can be pretty inconvenient to replace, especially if you have nonrecent backups.

      • wkat4242 6 hours ago

        Yeah not sure about you guys but me and everyone I know buys their stuff in ikea where a chair definitely doesn't cost more than a good cell phone

0_____0 9 hours ago

The GoPro Session actually took this tack to achieve waterproofness without a secondary case.

Aurornis 8 hours ago

The heavy components on a cell phone PCB are reinforced with spot applications of adhesive to the PCB.

Filling the entire cell phone with epoxy wouldn’t help. The parts that break on drops are external like the screen.

This SD card was enclosed in a sealed metal container so it wasn’t exposed to water.

dotancohen 10 hours ago

  > Why isn't a cellphone filled with epoxy?
Added cost and weight are two things that would put off consumers. The phone would also be neigh irreparable, but consumers don't seem to care for that other than replacing their screen.
  • rob74 8 hours ago

    OTOH, adding epoxy on top of everything else would probably only reduce their iFixit repairability score from 1 to 0, so...

  • amelius 10 hours ago

    A conformal coating wouldn't give much more weight.

    • dotancohen 10 hours ago

      A conformal coating isn't "filled with epoxy", which is the concern I was answering.

      • amelius 10 hours ago

        There is very little empty space in a phone, so conformal coating is practically the same as filling it.

        Anyway, I wasn't disagreeing, just reasoning a bit further.

  • NuclearPM 9 hours ago

    Neigh?

    • dotancohen 8 hours ago

      I didn't notice that, I was dictating to Gboard. If that's what was heard, then I should probably go eat some hay and get my tail brushed.

    • tagawa 9 hours ago

      I think they meant “nigh on irreparable“.

    • ohyes 9 hours ago

      Some claim we are centaurs, we say Neigh!

scrumper 9 hours ago

Well, most cellphones aren't subjected to the conditions found under three miles of frigid sea water. Epoxy is also really, really expensive.

loloquwowndueo 8 hours ago

Because then it gets a 0/10 repairability score on ifixit :)

  • matheusmoreira 2 hours ago

    That can be avoided by filling it with a fluid that the repairman can simply drain instead.

    People hydromod digital quartz wristwatches by filling them with oil. This gives them truly absurd water resistances and even improves the readability of the screen somehow.

numpad0 10 hours ago

It's just not necessary, while having reliability problems of its own.

Towaway69 9 hours ago

Thermal concerns perhaps - how does epoxy dissipate heat?

  • amelius 8 hours ago

    Some types of epoxy actually conduct heat quite well.

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marcosdumay 7 hours ago

Imagine how much drama they could have avoided if they filled the entire submersible.

bell-cot 11 hours ago

That would be a problem for the mic and speaker, and has relatively few use cases.