Comment by candiddevmike

Comment by candiddevmike 7 hours ago

10 replies

If they're losing employees, then they must not have that much higher pay or better benefits for it to be worth it to work there. I don't think you can easily blame it on the job being monotonous...

stouset 7 hours ago

The job being monotonous is clearly enough of a downside that significantly higher pay and benefits are needed to attract talent.

Paying higher wages might help retain employees (or not! there are jobs people just won’t keep doing no matter the pay) but doing so could easily increase costs to the point where your product is uncompetitive in the market. It also might just be worth having higher turnover in order to keep prices low.

  • lenkite 5 hours ago

    A lot of folks like repeatable, monotonous jobs. They can loose themselves in a trance doing the same thing for hours.

    The problem is that American bosses will never hire these kind of people. They can never pass the interview game.

    • ASalazarMX 3 hours ago

      Except you can't just zone away in a factory job. Workers need to pay attention if they don't like injuries. It the job doesn't need much skill, it doesn't necessarily mean it's easy or safe.

  • Pulcinella 5 hours ago

    We need actual data to decide how significant is "significant." Otherwise you will just have businesses complaining no one wants to work for "significantly" higher pay (a whole $0.05/hour more).

    • stouset 4 hours ago

      I’m sorry but this is a ridiculous take. $0.05/hr is $104 a year for a full-time job. Zero people are going to have that be the tipping point for them to take on a monotonous, often physically draining job that they’d otherwise turn down.

      • Pulcinella an hour ago

        Yes that is my point. What business owners consider "significant" and what sane people consider significant are often quite different.

  • snozolli 6 hours ago

    there are jobs people just won’t keep doing no matter the pay

    I do not believe this common claim.

    • stouset 4 hours ago

      Obviously there is some ludicrous threshold of pay where more people will decide to do some job. But for practical purposes the pay needs to be in line with still being able to price your products competitively in a global marketplace.

      Even $10,000/yr more might not be enough to move the needle all that much on a job that’s backbreaking, monotonous, and with little prospects for career growth. Especially if you have a limited pool of applicants due to your location.

      • snozolli an hour ago

        Obviously there is some ludicrous threshold of pay where more people will decide to do some job

        Ludicrous only from the perspective of the employer. Everyone wants something for nothing.

        The fact is that regular Americans (i.e. not exploited, immigrant labor, or oppressed out-groups) used to do manual labor and manufacturing in the United States. They took pride in their labor. People haven't changed, the economics have.

        As for your last paragraph, the oil fields have been able to meet their need for employees for the most part, and that ticks every one of your undesirable factors. So what gets workers there? Pay.

    • carlosjobim 6 hours ago

      Theoretically, an utterly horrible job with great pay would attract a lot of workers who do it for some time to get a financial boost before moving on.