Comment by nextworddev

Comment by nextworddev 14 hours ago

8 replies

Obviously a meat brain is incomparable to a LLM - they are different types of intelligence. Any sane person wouldn't claim a LLM to be conscious in the meat brain sense, but it may be conscious in a LLM way, like the duration of time where matrix multiplications are firing inside GPUs.

zahlman 7 hours ago

If an LLM could be "conscious in an LLM way", then why not the same, mutatis mutandis, for an ordinary computer program?

  • nextworddev 3 hours ago

    because an ordinary program is deterministic, LLM is probablistic + it has some synthetic-reasoning ability

nurettin 11 hours ago

It just aligns generated words according to the input. It is missing individual agency and self sufficiency which is a hallmark of consciousness. We sometimes confuse the responses with actual thought because neural networks solved language so utterly and completely.

  • Zarathruster 9 hours ago

    Not sure I'd use those criteria, nor have I heard them described as hallmarks of consciousness (though I'm open, if you'll elaborate). I think the existence of qualia, of a subjective inner life, would be both necessary and sufficient.

    Most concisely: could we ask, "What is it like to be Claude?" If there's no "what it's like," then there's no consciousness.

    Otherwise yeah, agreed on LLMs.

    • nurettin 9 hours ago

      I'd say being the maintainer of the weights is individual agency. Not just training new agents, but introspection. So autonomous management system would be pretty much conscious.

  • cma 10 hours ago

    > It is missing individual agency and self sufficiency which is a hallmark of consciousness.

    You can be completely paralyzed and completely concious.

    • tsimionescu 9 hours ago

      Yes, but you can't be completely suspended with no sensory input or output, not even internally (i.e. hunger, inner pains, etc), and no desires, and still be conscious.

    • nurettin 10 hours ago

      Yes, and you have individual agency while completely paralyzed.