Comment by shpx

Comment by shpx a day ago

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Dog breeds are not real animals, they're some sort of half-artificial thing created by imperfectly writing some people's desire into another species's genetic code.

If you make an artificial thing that really wants to do some specific thing, like a computer endlessly printing "hello world" millions of times a second, it's not surprising to see it do the thing it was created to do. I wouldn't say the computer "wants" to print hello world, so I don't see the dog as doing what it truly wants to do if it's a genetic predisposition human breeders forced into it. I see the expression of a society of dog breeders and people's idea of a game called "fetch" which was relatively easy to transition a species towards step-by-step using artificial selection.

teekert 21 hours ago

Dogs were domesticated by sort of not letting them grow up. We selected for the ones that retained puppy features into adulthood. They don't loose big eyes, hanging ears, retained playful/less aggressive behavior that is better for living with siblings.

Perhaps the obsession with fetching came with that?

  • actionfromafar 21 hours ago

    Also, Humans were domesticated by sort of not letting them grow up. Maybe that’s the reason we get along so well.

    • teekert 11 hours ago

      Yeah, it's a well know theory, Rutger Bregman in "Humankind: A Hopeful History" goes into it. We cultivated ourselves. Stopping ourselves from becoming full blown individualistic apes. (Incoming jokes on how it didn't work for some on the opposite political spectrum...)

s1artibartfast 20 hours ago

Regardless of their provenance, they are in fact real animals. They just aren't wild animals.

Artificial does not preclude real. You can make the same judgement about just about anything selected for anything- Such as strange hairless apes artificially selected planning and building and strategy.

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