Comment by mfuzzey

Comment by mfuzzey a day ago

11 replies

I think we're going to be seeing more and more of this type of thing in Europe. Of course some administrations have already done it before, sometimes sucessfully, like the French gendarmerie and sometimes unsuccesfully like Munich that ended up reverting to Windows (mostly for political rather than technical reasons).

But previously the motivations were difficult to understand for many, either being about saving money on licenses with dubious returns once retraining was considered or about software freedom arguments that are difficult to explain to non geeks.

These days the US is increasingly seen as an untrustworthy partner / supplier in Europe and the digital digital sovereignty arguments are well understood, both by politicians and the general public.

zenmac a day ago

This is just the result of shifting from the uni-polar world to the multi-polar world. Guess this is just one phenomenon of the poles shifting.

Hope this will result in gain for FOSS and the community.

pjmlp a day ago

Even though I tend to bash a bit the whole evolution of Linux Desktop, that is more a complaint of where I wish things to be, than being a naysayer.

FOSS stacks seem the only way with current geopolitics, but there is a big but.

For proper freedom it would only work out if we got back the whole infrastructure from hardware, software, compiler toolchains, everything like in the cold war days, throughout the 8 and 16 bit home computers as well, however I doubt we would go back that far.

Vuizur 12 hours ago

I think migrating away from office is not realistic for many companies. They run on Excel, and just breaking one vital table because it uses a macro can cost much more money than the entire office suite for many users over years. The Munich story was doomed to fail. (Of course there are lots of things that work, the open source mail or Zoom or Slack replacements are totally fine in my opinion.)

LudwigNagasena 17 hours ago

Most FOSS organisations, including the Linux Foundation, are headquartered in the US and are supported by American companies and, most likely, American three letter agencies.

  • number6 15 hours ago

    Yes, but they work differently. Due to their decentralised nature there is not one switch they can turn to shut off their services or programmes. US companies can be ordered to stop their services for certain organisations, individuals or states

    • cromka 2 hours ago

      Sure, but then some may not remember how usage of the cryptographic algorithms was limited by the US government, including in Open Source software, all the way until late 90s in Central/East Europe.

    • pjmlp 12 hours ago

      See how well it works for countries that were cutted out of Github, where most FOSS projects are hosted nowadays, without copies anywhere else, as if Git wasn't any different from Subversion.

      • number6 12 hours ago

        Yes - this is exactly the problem. Big Corporations, like Microsoft, the owner of Github, can shut you out. If you lose access to your E-Mail, or anything connected with your Microsoft Account (or Google Account) you will lose access to a lot of services that relie on it. And if you keep your source code with Microsoft and Microsoft only, you can lose access to it too.

        • hopelite 10 hours ago

          Broadly speaking this tendency towards concentration and centralization is not only just going on in all aspects of society all over the West, more baffling in many ways is the fact that many of the instances of concentrating power and control is being facilitated and even perpetrated by the collective people themselves, e.g., putting all the eggs into the GitHub basket.

          Regardless of why and how it’s happening, it seems extremely risky at best because all concentration of power and control tends to beget more abusive power and control.

      • preisschild 9 hours ago

        Git is distributed. There are git mirrors everywhere and if you pulled the source code once locally you also still have it.

      • insane_dreamer 3 hours ago

        The problem isn't git -- which is open source -- but Github, which is Microsoft.

        There are other open options for hosting git FOSS projects.