Comment by jacquesm

Comment by jacquesm 2 days ago

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I've spent the first 25 years of my life around addicts of all sorts, you name it, they did it. A short list: smoking, coke, H, alcohol, cannabis, hash etc. Some didn't make it (mostly, the heroin and alcohol addicts, as well as a substantial number of the smokers), some lost their mental faculties (alcohol, cannabis, hash, coke), some kicked their habits (very, very few) and some managed to keep it going for years up to and including today.

I've seen more than I really care for in that sense, including what these substances do to people that once upon a time were nice and functioning adults, both friends and family. If there is anything I'm grateful for it is that they cured me once and for all from even trying any of this stuff. If they were as smart and capable as they seemed and all but a very rare exception ended up much, much worse than they started out (ostracized, poor, extremely ill or dead) then it seemed like a very simple decision not to partake.

And this is where it gets annoying: but the people who do all these things also excel in peer pressure, they'll try anything to get you to join them in their misery. In the end I just came to the conclusion it isn't worth it, and stopped interacting with people that don't have their habits under control. This is also a hard decision but I really don't have the energy.

As the article writes: heroin addicts often seem normal, but that's mostly compared to other people around them, rarely compared to the person that they were before they became addicts, the differences for those cases that I knew were stark and that's before we get into all of the side effects.

louwrentius 2 days ago

Is this really about the impact of drugs on people or about the impact of how drugs users are vilified and ostracized, the impact of living on the streets?

  • jacquesm 2 days ago

    That's just the end stage, and it can take a long time before you get there. And none of these people were 'vilified' unless they gave direct cause for that.

    • louwrentius 2 days ago

      Drug use in and of itself is heavily stigmatized, causing people to be “discarded” and ostracized as deeply ingrained in - for example- USA culture.

      Their drug use wasn’t a problem in and of itself until other people decided to treat them differently.

      • jacquesm 2 days ago

        When I say their drug use was a problem, I mean their drug use was a problem. I've known drug uses whose drug use was not a problem but for the majority it really was and it caused me problems in return. Stealing, lying, fights over nothing, psychotic episodes, inability to even make the most basic appointments causing lots of fall-out. Please, I really don't need to be lectured on this.

dyauspitr a day ago

I wanted to point out that I’ve seen plenty of people go from smoking massive amounts of cannabis in their 20s to settling into completely cannabis free lives in their 30s onwards. This is probably the large majority of my friend group.

  • jacquesm 20 hours ago

    That's good for them. I hope they got away from that without any cognitive impairment. I know two people that went that route, kicked the habit and they are measurably less smart and prone to forget stuff than they were when they started, and that's not just age related decline. To be fair though, they were pretty heavy users.

    • dyauspitr 19 hours ago

      I agree. There are definitely anecdotal cognitive impairments. My memory was never the same and I smoked heavily for only about 5 years.