arcbyte 2 days ago

Spring is written by a committee of junior developers trying to implement the ideas from a committee of slightly less junior developers. Which is to say it's a huge unintelligible mess. As the other commenter attest, it works really well if you need the one thing it does - unfortunately the moment you need something slightly different you are forced to dig deep into the insane internals and it is a disaster. This moment comes very quickly too in every project because it was written by people with no experience in real projects.

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jsight 3 days ago

In theory, yes. In practice, I've found that things get really complicated as soon as you start trying to interact with the spring lifecycle. Figuring out how to customize things and manage priority is the trickiest thing in Spring, IMO.

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  • lenkite 2 days ago

    Please use the facilities of the framework for debugging any lifecycle issues. I was surprised when I found out that people did not use `--debug` for example or enabled logging of application startup events.

    If you prefer GUI, Intellij even has a Spring Debugger: https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/spring-debugger.html

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    • Anonyneko 2 days ago

      I stopped using Spring Debugger because for some inexplicable reason enabling it makes breaking at the breakpoint take minutes instead of seconds. For quite a while I didn't realize this was the problem, as IntelliJ started having it turned on by default at some point.

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    • jsight 2 days ago

      Fair point, honestly. It could easily be a skill issue from not doing this particular type of thing all that often.

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