Comment by scott_w

Comment by scott_w 5 hours ago

Except they will? We require multiple proofs because there’s no central place a bank or company, etc, can go to prove that you live in the UK. The excessive requirements to provide multiple proofs to your employer of your right to work are explicitly because there’s no single proof of your right to work in the UK.

If you don’t have a passport, for instance, it’s much harder for a UK citizen to prove their right to work in the UK, for which your employer is liable if they get it wrong.

So please, tell me again how having a clear proof of identity tied to your right to work, and other things, will “not change anything.”

agedclock 5 hours ago

Sorry you are totally misrepresenting how difficult it is. Here is the checklist:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/68b6b7e7536d6...

> If you don’t have a passport, for instance, it’s much harder for a UK citizen to prove their right to work in the UK, for which your employer is liable if they get it wrong.

No it isn't. You need a Birth Certificate and a previous paycheck and something that has your NI number on it, and usually something to prove your address e.g. Utility Bill.

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pjc50 5 hours ago

Don't forget needing to get it countersigned by someone sufficiently middle-class. https://www.gov.uk/countersigning-passport-applications/acce...

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- agedclock 4 hours ago
  
  This has nothing to do with passport applications. He is talking about right to work checks. There is nothing excessive about them and they does not require even photo-card ID e.g. driving license / passport.
  Also you don't have to insert your personal brand of politics into every discussion. There is nothing outrageous about the list of professions of counter signers. All they are wanting is someone that can be identified easily in a community.
  
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  scott_w 4 hours ago
  
  A driving license isn’t sufficient for right to work checks because you can have a driving license without being able to work.
  For shits and giggles, I just looked up the checker on the UK Gov website and… if you don’t have a passport or easy access to your birth certificate, you don’t have enough evidence of right to work.
  Is this possible for most people? Yes. Does it leave groups excluded? Absolutely!
  https://www.gov.uk/check-job-applicant-right-to-work
  
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- octo888 4 hours ago
  
  > someone sufficiently middle-class.
  The accuracy of this made me chuckle out loud!
  
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  agedclock 3 hours ago
  
  I don't consider a nurse or a pharmacist, or a pub landlord, or someone that own a Limited Company (anyone can setup a LTD) as middle class.
  Also what is wrong with being middle-class?
  
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mytailorisrich 5 hours ago

If you have an address, you have a proof of address. Digital IDs won't magically prove your address, and I don't think there plan is to include addresses. But if Dìgital IDs include address then you'll have to prove your address to the Digital ID first exactly like you prove your address now: with documents.

Regarding right to work (you are changing topic): if you are a citizen you can show your passport, if you don't have a passport because you don't want one you can show your birth certificate. If you are not a citizen you show your passport and provide a share code. It is simple and there are no "excessive requirements".

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pjc50 5 hours ago

> If you have an address, you have a proof of address
No! This is another one of those things that ends up being a serious problem for a few people, because the current proof of address standard is "utility bill".
> you are changing topic
This seems to be particularly bad in the "digital ID" discussion, almost every speaker including official sources seems to mean something slightly different by this phrase.

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- agedclock 2 hours ago
  
  You just need something with you name and address. Bank statements, council tax, driver license (it doesn't even need to be a full one). It doesn't need to be a utility bill, it just often is one.
  If you do not have a permanent address (I didn't for many years). You just need someone with a permanent address where these things can go e.g. friend or family member or you can pay a small amount for a letter box with a key (which is what I did).
  
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- mytailorisrich 4 hours ago
  
  > because the current proof of address standard is "utility bill".
  Because utility bills are the simplest. Obviously you can show a tenancy or lodger agreement, or letters from "official sources".
  If you have nothing then Digital IDs won't help you anyway because, if they do include address, you will also need to start by providing a proof of address to the Digital ID system!
  
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  Muromec 2 hours ago
  
  >If you have nothing then Digital IDs won't help you anyway because, if they do include address, you will also need to start by providing a proof of address to the Digital ID system!
  The way it works where it works -- you register with municipality and then whenever you need something, they either give a letter with your address (and maybe charge 25 bucks for it) or the agency gets it from the registry maintained by municipality on the need to know basis.
  Since the need-to-know basis is set by law, your explicit consent isn't asked for.
  
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  scott_w 4 hours ago
  
  Most tenancy agreements are just printed off by a landlord, so they're absolutely useless as proof of address.
  > if they do include address, you will also need to start by providing a proof of address to the Digital ID system!
  Yes, you're correct, however, there are starting points (like what's needed for a passport application). The difference is that, if there's a legal requirement to have one, then the government will provide ways for more people to get it for no cost. Unlike a passport that costs over £100 (+ the photos).
  
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