Comment by Telaneo

Comment by Telaneo 9 hours ago

8 replies

You can opt to not add a passcode, but the option to skip on setup is hidden, and people generally aren't going to go back to the settings to remove it once it's added. It's a dark pattern I kind of get, but it's still not ideal, especially for a market segment like the elderly.

bapak 9 hours ago

Again, I did that, but then iOS keeps asking until it reaches someone who doesn't realize that there's no option. Effectively you have to reject it regularly, which isn't practical in this context (the elderly)

  • Telaneo 9 hours ago

    I agree with that. I was just disputing the 'a non-dismissable screen that forces them to add it' of your comment. It is skippable, but it's hidden in a way your Grandma isn't going to discover.

  • ZPrimed 6 hours ago

    oh come on, you just need to buy a Mac so you can use one of the management toolkits to prevent that from happening. it Just Works!

    _deeply_ /s of course

    (and I say this as someone who is basically 100% a Mac user who admins Linux for a living... Apple makes a lot of stupid / frustrating decisions that I don't agree with, but I still prefer it over the alternatives)

socalgal2 6 hours ago

Hmmm, I don't have a solution but if it was common for elderly people to have no passcode then they'd be a huge target for stealing them and emptying their bank accounts.

  • Telaneo 5 hours ago

    That's why I get that the default should be a passcode. Same reason Windows Update probably should automatically update. We live in a problematic world and these options are the least bad.

    My Grandma's solution to this problem is to not bring her phone with her when going to public places, and that's probably the right call if you can swing it.

  • dns_snek 3 hours ago

    > stealing them and emptying their bank accounts.

    Which bank allows you to empty someone's bank account if you find yourself with an unlocked device in your hand?? If was a criminal I'd be waiting outside their branch and snatching people's phones out of their hands right there, so I'm pretty confident that's not a real scenario.

    • Telaneo 2 hours ago

      Ones which only need a login saved in their browser and a 2fa code which is also on their phone.

  • Barbing 5 hours ago

    Absolutely. Pickpockets would know to target them, text whoever has the most common last name, all kinds of scams.