Comment by bobxmax

Comment by bobxmax 14 hours ago

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The dot com boom involved silly things like Pets.com IPOing pre-revenue. Claude code hit $500m in ARR in 3 months.

The fact people don't see the difference between the two is unreal. Hacker news has gone full r* around this topic, you find better nuance even on Reddit than here.

mcintyre1994 6 hours ago

Do you mean pre-profit/without ever making a profit? I found an article about their IPO:

> Pets.com lost $42.4 million during the fourth quarter last year on $5.2 million in sales. Since the company's inception in February of last year, it has lost $61.8 million on $5.8 million in sales.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/pets-com-raises-82-5...

They had sales, they were just making a massive loss. Isn’t that pretty similar to AI companies, just on a way smaller scale?

We haven’t seen AI IPOs yet, but it’s not hard to imagine one of them going public before making profit IMO.

  • bobxmax 40 minutes ago

    You'd think after all this time nerds would stop obsessing about profit. Profit doesn't matter. It hasn't mattered for a long time because tech companies have such fat margins they can go profitable in months if they wanted to.

    Yes, $5m in sales. That's effectively pre-revenue for a tech company.

conartist6 an hour ago

What you're missing is how that value comes about. People seem to think it's an infinite fountain but it's more like strip mining the commons.

We also know that AI hype is holding up most of the stock market this point, including the ticker symbols which you don't think of as being for "AI companies". Market optimism at large is coming from the idea that companies won't need employees soon, or that they can keep using AI to de-leverage and de-skill their workforce

  • bobxmax 38 minutes ago

    So that $500m in ARR in 3 months is from hype? That's what you're contending?

lelandbatey 14 hours ago

They're not claiming that it's like the dot com boom because no one is actually making money. They're claiming that this is more like the dot com boom than the housing bubble, which I think is true. The dot com crash didn't cause Jane-on-the-street to lose her house while she worked a factory job, though the housing crisis did have those kinds of consumer-affecting outcomes.

oblio 10 hours ago

1. Claude Code is claimed to have hit €500m ARR in 3 months.

2. What is the Claude Code profit for the same period?

3. What is the Claude Code profit per request served when excluding fixed expenses such as training the models?

  • bobxmax 41 minutes ago

    Who cares? Are you not seeing the exponential decrease in GPU inference costs? H100s costs 3x what they did a year ago.

jrflowers 13 hours ago

You have a good point. Pets.com would have fared much better if investors gave them several billion dollars in 1998, 1999 and then again in 2000

  • 1oooqooq 11 hours ago

    can see cramer "buy pets.com! general revenue is just around the corner"

    • jrflowers 4 hours ago

      Pets.com could have traded at a significant multiple of the entire combined revenue of the pet space if investors simply poured infinite dollars into it.

      The could have even got into the programming space with all that capital. Pawed Code