Comment by ksec

Comment by ksec 12 hours ago

48 replies

Any actual interesting changes under the hood other than UI changes? I cant remember the last time macOS release that actually brings any useful feature I use.

ryandrake 12 hours ago

It's been so long since Apple has released anything in either iOS or macOS that excited me as a user. I don't seem to be their target customer anymore.

The only reason I even have to "upgrade" to a higher version number is how quickly app developers (including Apple themselves) drop support for older OS's. My iPhone which is stuck on iOS 15 runs just as well as the day I bought it, but every other app I download tells me (in essence) "LOL your phone is too old and our developers are too lazy to keep our software running on it. Upgrade your OS or get lost loser".

That's literally the only thing motivating me to upgrade anymore: The treadmill of software compatibility. Apple doesn't have to innovate--they just need to make sure the ecosystem is broken after ~5-10 years or so.

  • mrweasel 11 hours ago

    Isn't that true for pretty much every OS? The feature set we need to be able to do our jobs and computing hobbies have been available for two decades.

    Operating systems like Debian is sufficiently boring that I can just upgrade and continue computing. macOS upgrades have become a small gamble, the stuff that I depend on may not continue to work, or at least it will take a good deal of work. There are however no reason to upgrade, so the risk isn't really worth the hassle of upgrading and breaking Java or Python.

    • p_ing 8 hours ago

      Microsoft still manages to do 'cool stuff' at the kernel level; IO Rings, VBS, Rust, etc.

      Only thing I see on the Apple' what's new that looks interesting is Metal updates. Most of the rest is UI.

    • ryandrake 11 hours ago

      You can still get software that installs and works perfectly on Windows 7 (released 16 years ago). Good luck finding software that even installs on Snow Leopard (released 16 years ago), let alone works well.

      • cosmic_cheese 11 hours ago

        The flip side of this is that every attempt at advancing the Windows UI framework story beyond win32/MFC and WPF has failed and the platform itself is steeped neck deep in technical debt.

      • kjkjadksj 4 hours ago

        Snow leopard is a unix based os. There is a ton of software that can still install on it and work fine.

  • skydhash 11 hours ago

    Sometimes it’s Apple and Google that are forcing developers. The system is perfectly capable of running the app (you’re not using any new API) but store policies force you to add the restriction anyway.

    • jmkni 11 hours ago

      Yeah we are in this situation right now with an App, we literally can't update it unless we target a more modern version of the SDK, which introduces breaking changes

      • ryandrake 11 hours ago

        This problem could be mitigated by Apple making older versions of software available. Then you could continue to release updates, and users on older devices could continue to use earlier versions of your app on their devices.

        Apple actually partially solves this: as a user, if I have EVER downloaded Older Version X of an app, and then go to download it again, they let me. However, if I have never downloaded the old version and go to download it, they just say “this app is not compatible with your device.” and don't give me the chance to get the older, compatible version. I don’t know why they make this distinction.

        Worse are the third party apps where the old version still actually runs, but the developer deliberately blocks you with a full-screen “go away” dialog (I’m looking at you, FlightAware).

  • setopt 8 hours ago

    I got my first MacBook at Catalina, and still miss it. For a while, I downgraded my Intel Mac to Catalina again; I love the aesthetic compared to the newer releases, and it’s fast and snappy.

    But the situation now is: No recent apps work on Catalina since it’s considered obsolete (except open-source apps you compile yourself). But Big Sur and higher are ridiculously slow on Intel hardware, to the point where it’s unusable. I now have an otherwise perfectly good 2019 Intel MacBook that has been gathering dust for the past years.

    • ryandrake 8 hours ago

      I’ve got a MacBook and Mac Mini stuck on Monterey (12), and an iMac stuck on Big Sur (11). I’m pretty much dead in the water when it comes to software compatibility, unless I want to put Linux on them. Even homebrew gives me a warning that they’ve stopped support and to expect everything to break. It’s a sad state of affairs.

    • christophilus 7 hours ago

      Linux runs fine on my wife’s old (2013) MacBook. It’s more than fine, actually. I have Arch and Niri on there, and it makes a great SNES emulator.

  • cosmic_cheese 11 hours ago

    Support rapidly being dropped happens mostly with smaller devs, because when resources are limited in the Apple platform world you can either adopt newer APIs and language features or you can support old OSes 3+ versions back. Trying to do both lands you in feature check conditional hell and requires a large matrix of test devices to ensure that nothing is being broken.

    It’s less of a burden for corporate giants which is why you see much longer support timelines from e.g. Google.

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  • theshrike79 9 hours ago

    When was the next Windows or Linux (distro) release that "excited" you?

    It's all slow incremental updates pretty much.

    • christophilus 7 hours ago

      Not Linux, but I still look forward to window managers and Neovim releases. The Cosmic desktop also looks promising, though I’m not using it until it has a scrolling window manager available for it.

cosmic_cheese 12 hours ago

Spotlight got a major upgrade. It’s notably faster and deeply integrates with Shortcuts (letting you specify input variables, for example) among other things.

  • chatmasta 9 hours ago

    I’ve got Spotlight configured to index nothing but my applications (which is surprisingly difficult to configure and breaks with every major OS upgrade). Disabling all its default indexing has alleviated 95% of unexplainable CPU spikes and autocomplete pollution, so now I can finally use it for what it’s meant to be: the most overengineered fuzzy finder application launcher.

  • rick_dalton 9 hours ago

    I actually preferred the pre-tahoe spotlight. The information density was higher and while it did not always give me the most relevant result atleast it was consistent and I could scroll down to find it. New spotlight is less dense and jumbles everything together.

  • kemayo 8 hours ago

    Even more importantly: there's a clipboard manager built into it now.

  • daveidol 11 hours ago

    I'm curious if it will get me to stop using Alfred

    • unsnap_biceps 11 hours ago

      Alfred leverages the spotlight indexes, so Alfred will also get the speed up

  • airstrike 9 hours ago

    Does "BetterDiscord" still show up as the first choice after you type "Disc"?

  • pants2 11 hours ago

    Anyone using Raycast has had these features forever. Nice to see some attention on Spotlight but it's still nowhere close to the functionality you get from Raycast.

    • nozzlegear 11 hours ago

      I've been using Raycast for a couple months but I'm hoping I can uninstall it if Spotlight is responsive enough in Tahoe. What bothers me about Raycast is the monthly subscription for certain features. I don't mind paying for Mac software – I'm quite happy to do that – but I do mind paying monthly subscriptions for Mac software with seemingly no justification for it (i.e. what monthly resources does running a "window command" use on Raycast that justifies locking it behind a monthly subscription?)

      • pants2 11 hours ago

        What's the window command? I'm able to use things like "Top Left Sixth" on the free plain. AFAIK you only the pro for the AI features.

    • cosmic_cheese 11 hours ago

      Raycast is interesting but I’m not going to touch it so long as VC funding is involved. Alfred has been doing the job well enough, only requires me to buy a new version a couple times per decade, and isn’t going to become enshittified because there’s no VCs to come knocking looking for a profit.

      • treetalker 11 hours ago

        +1 for Alfred. I'm a proud Power Pack / lifetime-license holder from the beginning. Very few outfits anymore have the chops to both offer and make good on a single-payment, long-lasting product with frequent and excellent substantive updates.

        Mad props and three cheers for the Alfred team!

        • cosmic_cheese 11 hours ago

          It’s insanely tiny and efficient for what it does, too. One of the only apps that’s so small that updates are done downloading within a second or two of clicking “Download”, even on a mediocre connection!

    • timeon 8 hours ago

      Sure and QuickSilver had it even earlier. But it is nice that one can finally extend Spotlight with Services ehm I mean Shortcuts.

  • lukasb 11 hours ago

    Can it find my files now?

    • jpease 11 hours ago

      At a minimum, it can not find them faster!

dylan604 8 hours ago

The fact that so much of the page is devoted to this liquid glass feature pretty much tells you the answer is no. Plus the fact that the "And so much more" section lists 10 different updates in the same space as their poster with a link to a PDF instead of building out a larger webpage speaks volumes.

tiltowait 12 hours ago

Native container support is pretty exciting.

Bondi_Blue 8 hours ago

- Apple Sparse Image Format allows you to create virtualized disk images with a virtualized file format that can be formatted to any kind of file

- Terminal.app now supports 24-bit color and powerline glyphs

- Vehicle Motion Cues to reduce motion-sickness when in a moving vehicle

  • rcarmo 7 hours ago

    Good catch on the terminal. I missed that, and it might get me off Ghostty (I prefer to have less apps installed in general).

elpakal 11 hours ago

The on-device foundation models framework is interesting to me. So far the responses have not been good but the potential is appealing.

alana314 7 hours ago

TextEdit has a styling toolbar now which I appreciate. The new spotlight has more functionality and seems faster (and less likely to pull up a website instead of the app I'm trying to launch)

NaomiLehman 11 hours ago

I was in Beta since Beta 2, and I saw massive improvement in energy efficiency on my MacBook Air M2 and Pro Max M4