Comment by freetime2

Comment by freetime2 13 hours ago

15 replies

Yup if you really need to be off grid in a climate that has cold, cloudy, snowy winters, you’re probably going to need a generator that runs on fossil fuels. For everyone else, use the grid.

mnw21cam 13 hours ago

Agreed. You can increasingly over-provision the solar generation to reduce the proportion of time when you will need a fossil fuel generator or grid input, and install lots of battery to allow the system to smooth over multiple dull days. But chasing that 100% is going to be very expensive, and at some point it'll be much cheaper to have a fossil fuel generator that you need to run 1% of the time.

  • mrexroad 9 hours ago

    Yeah, w/o grid fallback, I’d much rather aim for 98-99% w/ solar and have an alternate source to close gap, rather than aim for “five 9s” on solar+batt. It’d take a lot to talk me out of a multi-source approach.

jcalvinowens 9 hours ago

It's uncommon, but a wind generator can help a lot: in some climates, cloudy days tend to be windy days. Not really practical in a city though.

  • mauvehaus 7 hours ago

    The AMC White Mountain huts have been doing this for years. The croo don't tend to maintain the systems, so I've never gotten a sense for what their storage capacity, generating capacity, and loads look like, but from a visitor perspective, the system works well.

    Reportedly, even the fairy stout wind turbines they use up there have short, brutal lives. I heard the story of a croo that had to lasso/tangle/jam the blades of theirs in a storm because it lost the ability to control its speed and the alternative was letting it overspeed and possibly tear itself apart. They aren't large in diameter, but at the speeds they turn even in normal conditions up there, catastrophic failure could be really bad.

tim333 7 hours ago

There's the passive haus highly insulated stuff. Guess that might work?

  • dzhiurgis 6 hours ago

    If you wanna spend 2-3x more, yes. Otherwise solar or grid battery is cheaper.

    • tenuousemphasis 2 hours ago

      Try 30-50% more.

      It's so obviously better to reduce your need for heating and cooling than it is to increase your panel. battery, and HVAC size.

      • dzhiurgis an hour ago

        30-50% over 500k build is 10x more than 10k solar or 5k worth of batteries.

        I've just setup electrical heating for my bedroom (HA PID sensor). Uses about 450KWh - $90 NZD worth of grid power per winter. Heat pump would take 20+ years to pay itself. Double glazing probably 30-40 years.

        To make same amount of solar power per year I need a single $130 NZD panel.

rr808 3 hours ago

Wood burner is the best companion imho.

madaxe_again 12 hours ago

Or you find somewhere with terrain amenable to hydropower. It’s how we bridge the gap in the winter.