Comment by SXX

Comment by SXX 16 hours ago

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Talking of cheap and powerful devices one can also look at Chinese UZ801 4G LTE (Qualcomm MSM8916) dongles. They cost like only $4-5 and pack quite impressive HW: 4GB eMMC, 512MB RAM, actual 4G modem sometimes with 2 sim switching support. Since it's actually old Android SOC there is even GPU and GPS in there. And a lot of work was already done on supporting them:

https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Zhihe_series_LTE_dongles_...

https://github.com/OpenStick/OpenStick

So yeah if you looking for hardware platform for weird homelab projects that's can be it.

happyhardcore 16 hours ago

I've found [1] to be the best guide for getting started with them; you need to make a copy of the firmware partitions that you re-flash after installing Linux onto it in order to get the 4G modem working. It's honestly absurd how much you're getting for a fiver with it; add a power bank (or make your own from scavenged vape batteries in the spirit of this post) and you have a full Linux machine with WiFi and 4G that can work almost anywhere.

[1] https://wvthoog.nl/openstick/

  • motorest 16 hours ago

    What an interesting gadget! It looks like it has most of the features of an Orange Pi Zero, but at around 1/5th of the price.

    • sitzkrieg 15 hours ago

      it's almost like everything matching the pi footprint is severely overpriced!

      • motorest 13 hours ago

        There's a silver lining in raspberry pi and it's clones being so relatively expensive: they create a market and demand for hackable devices. In an age with so much pressure to plug every single digital hole, these devices bring some much needed market pressure to the opposite direction.

        • TeMPOraL 5 minutes ago

          Or, put another way: to have electronics so cheap today, we're sacrificing empowerment technology could give us. We have dirt cheap supercomputers in our pocket, but what for? They're just overspecced entertainment machines.

      • cultofmetatron 7 hours ago

        what you're generally paying for is support and community. havin people you can ask questions and knowing there's a good chance that soneone out there has both seen your issue and knows a fix is extremely valuable and worth the money if you're just trying to put together a small one off project.

      • DrewADesign 7 hours ago

        I like the picos. I think there’s a lot of bang for your buck in there for making little devices and prototyping.

      • tkfoss 8 hours ago

        Isn't Orange Pi Zero already sold at cost of material & labor?

Telemakhos 6 hours ago

> 4GB eMMC, 512MB RAM

And, that Snapdragon is 1.4 GHz, I think.

That's enough for a bare-bones WordPress installation.

My first laptop had a 100 MB had drive, 8 MB of RAM, and a 25 MHz processor, and I remember running a web server on it too, in addition to Windows 3.11 and word processors and other software. One of those dongles would have been godlike power back in those days.

I feel like somewhere along the way scripting got out of hand. Stuff like Wordpress is absurdly resource intensive.

Rzor 13 hours ago

In case anyone wants a few links containing this SOC or similar, there's an entire article on Hackaday and a bunch of links shared in the comments:

https://hackaday.com/2022/08/03/hackable-20-modem-combines-l... (search for Alibaba/Aliexpress/Amazon)

Before stumbling on this link I actually found one that mentions a MSM8916 in the description (it even has a screen, sadly no RAM information):

https://aliexpress.com/item/1005007496178143.html

user_7832 15 hours ago

> Qualcomm MSM8916

Well hullo there, turns out that's my old mate, the Snapdragon 410! Quite an unexpected surprise!

And funnily in retrospect, my Moto G3 from 2015 (which I still occasionally use for whatsapp!) has the exact same processor, and turns out base android (7) is (un?)surprisingly efficient when you're not doing much! I totally believe you could get a lightweight linux distro going on; I'm more impressed by such an old (and mobile!) chipset still having some sort of vestigial support!

(Fun fact, iirc this was one of the first processors to get 64 bit support for android but motorola wasn't able to port it over in time for the launch. Hence it runs 32 bit android instead!)

sandreas 14 hours ago

My biggest Problem with these devices is

a.) the world of electronics is moving too fast

b.) My lack of skills and time to build something really cool with something like this

A while ago i bought a licheerv nano (similar to luckfox pico or Milk-v duo) to build an open source iPod nano via usb-c audio Jack and the open source buildroot for the licheerv nano.

I did not find a suitable 2.4 inch or at least < 3"touch display that worked with the integrated MPI port.

With LVGL it should be doable to build a small portable audioplayer with acceptable features... But not for me :-)

marcosscriven 12 hours ago

Where do you get them for $5? Cheapest I can find is around £8 (11 USD), and it’s not clear if they have this chip.

  • haunter 12 hours ago

    Yeah you won't find them for $5 unless you buy in bulk on Alibaba

    Aliexpress has this as the best selling one though the chipset is not confirmed https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006924641101.html

    Well I take my gamble, wait 2 weeks and see what I'll get

    • mrandish 11 hours ago

      Just fyi, the device at that link is currently showing $9.62 for a single unit, once logged in and the one-time-only "Welcome deals" are eliminated. But AliExpress pricing can vary hour by hour based on seller, inventory, algorithm, RNG.

      • fivestones 4 hours ago

        I just bought one for $1.07 US with free shipping. I was buying with a new account so I probably got that discount. But even so, before buying I got $2.99 the first time I loaded the page, then $9.89 or thereabouts, and finally $0.99 (which I bought, it had an additional $0.08 in fees for $1.07 total). We’ll see if it shows up and is hackable, but at that price it feels too good to pass up the chance.

      • krackers 2 hours ago

        I've noticed the wild fluctuations in price as well (by $10), is there some trick to timing the RNG right? I'm guessing it's intentional to get you to keep refreshing.

    • stavros 9 hours ago

      Which one did you buy, the red one or the white one? I do want a device that runs openstick, but I don't want more ewaste if it's the wrong one.

      EDIT: According to this post[1] above, this listing[2] should be the real thing, as the red variant does say SSID 4G-UFI-XX under the cap.

      [1] https://wvthoog.nl/openstick/ [2] https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006860833351.html

  • SXX 7 hours ago

    Well, I guess my post was slightly misguided on price because I bought them in South East Asia and they look a bit more pricey in EU / US now. Might be some tariff price changes played the role IDK.

    As for the chip basically almost all USB+LTE+WIFI sticks on Chinese marketplaces using it. They all have slightly different way to get adb / edl and flash, but all seems somewhat open.

VladVladikoff 14 hours ago

Speaking of cheap and powerful, I’m looking for a dirt cheap android phone that has a decent camera. I used to ship out GoPros to my customers but I don’t actually need them to film in 4K, 1080p with a decent CCD would be fine. And lately new GoPro models have become a pain to setup, they require pairing with a modern mobile phone which my customers sometimes don’t have.

e145bc455f1 15 hours ago

Where do i get a MSM8916 board for commercial usage at low volumes(1k)?

  • dolmen 14 hours ago

    What about disassembling 1k dongles?

    • tonyhart7 14 hours ago

      "What about disassembling 1k dongles?"

      deadass this literally what they do in china, they just disassemble e-waste that don't get used and resell that oversees

      • SpicyUme 9 hours ago

        A relative bought several products from Chinese company for a small product development. When he found the most suited device he asked if they'd sell without the enclosure, and maybe 1-2 other boards. They told him at 1000 pcs the best option was to buy them and toss the enclosure.

heavyset_go 8 hours ago

Reminds me of the LTE dongles Freedom Pop would give out that were running Linux. If you took them apart you got UART access, too.

mschuster91 11 hours ago

Now what I'd like to see is the other way around - you know, like the "old" UMTS sticks, just for 5G. No OS, especially not one so prone to all sorts of security like Android, just a pure baseband chip, some interface chip that talks USB3, two built-in antennas and the option to connect more powerful/higher directionality external antennas.