Comment by medlazik

Comment by medlazik 11 hours ago

16 replies

>What do you mean?

I mean it's not clean

>one of the lowest impact mining of resources we have

Not the point. It's not clean, it shouldn't be called clean end of the story.

mpweiher 10 hours ago

Nuclear power uses around 1/10th the resources of intermittent renewables per kWh of electricity produced.

So if nuclear isn't clean, renewables are downright filthy.

  • locallost 14 minutes ago

    Citation needed.

    I will save you the trouble because I already know where your numbers come from: the Quadrennial Technology Review by the US Department of Energy from around 10 years ago. These numbers have been thoroughly debunked [1]. They are simply wrong, likely out of laziness more than malice.

    But the people that spread this around do it out of malice to dupe people and influence opinions. You've been duped.

    [1] https://xcancel.com/simonahac/status/1318711842907123712

acidburnNSA 11 hours ago

Ok, well by this definition, all human development activity is unclean. This is a perfectly valid point of view but is pretty distinct from the modern definition of clean.

  • medlazik 11 hours ago

    > all human development activity is unclean

    of course

    > modern definition of clean

    clean is clean. no need to lie or modernize word definitions to fit your agenda of promoting nuclear energy all day every day for a decade

    • acidburnNSA 11 hours ago

      The problem in my mind with a "clean is clean" litmus test is that it eliminates the word "clean"'s ability to differentiate between sustainable and unsustainable human development.

      Using systematic metrics to annoint something as clean so it can get clean energy credits so that people can invest in activities considered cleaner is valuable and useful even if none of the options are 100% perfectly in impactful to the natural world.

    • gmanley 11 hours ago

      OK, but then by that logic, solar and and wind shouldn't be categorized as clean energy either. Clearly it's a matter of degrees and meant as a useful segmentation for taxation, etc.

      • xandrius 10 hours ago

        Even doing nothing is not "clean" by that philosophy, since you'd did and your rotting corpse would taint the soil, making it unclean by default.

stonemetal12 11 hours ago

Then what is clean? By that definition Solar and Wind aren't because copper and iron mines aren't clean.

  • medlazik 11 hours ago

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    • KaseKun 10 hours ago

      Now now, there are words that you can say to make your point that don't make you seem deranged.

IAmBroom 11 hours ago

Are you saying it's less clean than mining for the materials that make up solar panels and wind turbines?

alexey-salmin 11 hours ago

Do you think rare earth minerals for batteries and photovoltaics grow on trees?

  • pfdietz 7 hours ago

    Photovoltaics don't use rare earth minerals (and Li-ion batteries only use yttrium in one particular variety of LFP cells.)

  • medlazik 11 hours ago

    Who talked about those? Not the fucking point. Nuclear isn't clean.

    • alexey-salmin 11 hours ago

      What source of energy is clean then?

      • KaseKun 10 hours ago

        No point, old mate just can't deal with anything but perfection. No energy source is clean, so let's not bother.