Comment by samiv

Did you mean to type 25? 5 years ago LC challenge were as, if not more, prevalent than they are today. And a single interview for a job is not something I have seen ever after 15 years in the space (and a bunch of successful OSS projects I can showcase).

I actually have the feeling it’s not as hardcore as it used to be on average. E.g. OpenAI doesn’t have a straight up LC interview even though they probably are the most sought after company. Google and MS and others still do it, but it feel like it has less weight in the final feedback than it did before. Most en-vogue startup have also ditched it for real world coding excercices.

Probably due to the fact that LC has been thoroughly gamed and is even less a useful signal than it was before.

Of course some still do, like Anthropic were you have to have a perfect score to 4 leetcode questions, automatically judged with no human contact, the worst kind of interview.

Not sure if that's a typo. 5 years ago was also pretty LC-heavy.

Ten years ago it was more based on Cracking the Coding Interview.

So i'd guess what you're referring to is even older than that.

I read this, and intentionally did not read the replies below. You are so wrong. You can write a library, even an entirely new language from scratch, and you will still be denied employment for that library/language.

> 5 years ago you'd have a project like that, talk to someone at a company for like 30m-1hr about it, and then get an offer.

Based on my own experiences, that was true 25 years ago. 20 years ago, coding puzzles were now a standard part of interviewing, but it was pretty lightweight. 5 years ago (covid!) everything was leet-code to get to the interview stage.

I have been getting grilled on leet code style questions since the beginning my of my career over 12 years ago.

The faangs jump and then the rest of the industry does some dogshit imitation of their process

> If it didn't actually work, it would've been discarded by companies long ago

You're assuming that something else works better. Imagine if we were in a world where all interviewing techniques had a ton of false positives and negatives without a clear best choice. Do you expect that companies would just give up, and not hire at all, or would they pick based on other factors (e.g. minimizing the amount of effort needed on the company side to do the interviews)? Assuming you accept the premise that companies would still be trying to hire in that situation, how can you tell the difference between the world we're in now and that (maybe not-so) hypothetical one?

But why stop there? Why not test candidates with problems they have never seen before? Or problems similar to the problems of the organization hiring? Leetcode mostly relies on memorizing patterns with a shallow understanding but shows the candidates have a gaming ability. Does that imply quality in any way? Some people argue that willing to study for leetcode shows some virtue. I very much disagree with that.

> If it didn't actually work, it would've been discarded by companies long ago.

This that I've singled out above is a very confident statement, considering that inertia in large companies is a byword at this point. Further, "work" could conceivably mean many things in this context, from "per se narrows our massive applicant pool" to "selects for factor X," X being clear only to certain management in certain sectors. Regardless, I agree with those who find it obvious that LC does not ensure a job fit for almost any real-world job.

> Hence Leetcode is a reasonably good test for the job. If it didn't actually work, it would've been discarded by companies long ago.

I see it differently. I wouldn't say it's reasonably good, I'd say it's a terrible metric that's very tenuously correlated with on the job success, but most of the other metrics for evaluating fresh grads are even worse. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

> If you can show that you can become excellent at one thing, there's a good chance you can become excellent at another thing.

Eh. As someone who did tech and then medicine, a lot great doctors would make terrible software engineers and vice versa. Some things, like work ethic and organization, are going to increase your odds of success at nearly any task, but there's plenty other skills that are not nearly as transferable. For example, being good at memorizing long lists of obscure facts is a great skill for a doctor, not so much for a software engineer. Strong spatial reasoning is helpful for a software developer specializing in algorithms, but largely useless for, say, an oncologist.

> Hence Leetcode is a reasonably good test for the job. If it didn't actually work, it would've been discarded by companies long ago.

This is an appeal to tradition and a form of survivorship bias. Many successful companies have ditched LeetCode and have found other ways to effectively hire.

> If you can show that you can become excellent at one thing, there's a good chance you can become excellent at another thing.

My company uses LeetCode. All I want is sane interfaces and good documentation. It is far more likely to get something clever, broken and poorly documented than something "excellent", so something is missing for this correlation.

"Startups" and "Enterprise"? I guess that basically covers everything

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