Comment by kccqzy

These tests are programming tests, but also effectively IQ and conscientiousness tests in the same way that most of what people learn in college is pointless, but graduating with a 4.0 GPA is still a strong signal.

I will say, IME, it's pretty obvious when people have seen a problem before, and unless you work at a big company that has a small question pool, most people are not regurgitating answers to these questions but actually grappling with them in realtime. I say this as someone who has been on both ends of this, these problems are all solvable de novo in an hour by a reasonable set of people.

Leetcode ability isn't everything, but I have generally found a strong correlation between Leetcode and the coding aspects of on the job performance. It doesn't test everything, but nothing in my experience of hiring has led me to wanting to lower the bar here as much as raise the bar on all other factors that influence job performance.

Yeah it just depends on whether your interviewer considers that "solved". To test this out, I wrote a one liner in Python (after imports) that solves it with a hashmap (under the hood for Counter, which uses a heap queue to find the most common one):

return Counter(nums).most_common(1)[0][0]

And that's 50th percentile for runtime and memory usage. Doing it with another one liner that's 87% percentile for time because it uses builtin Python sorting but is 20th percentile for memory:

return sorted(nums)[len(nums) // 2]

But the interviewer might be looking for the best approach, which beats "100%" of other solutions in runtime per Leetcode's analysis:

  m, c = -1, 0
  for x in nums:
      if not c:
          m = x
          c = 1
      elif m == x:
          c += 1
      else:
          c -= 1
  return m

I guess my point is that interviewers should be flexible and view it as a dialogue rather than asking for the "right answer". I much prefer "identify the bug in this self contained code snippet and fix it" type problems that can be completed in <15-30 minutes personally, but Leetcode ones can be fine if you choose the right problems for the job.

If somebody writes the optimal algorithm that should be a negative unless their resume indicates they are writing that algorithm often. The only reason you should know any algorithm well enough to get it right is if your job is implementing the optimal version for every single language. Of course nobody maintains one algorithm in many different languages/libraries (say libc++, python, rust, ada, java - each has different maintainers), so I can safely safe the number is zero who should be able to implement your cleaver algorithm. Now if your cleaver algorithm is in the language standard library (or other library they often use) that should be able to call/use it, though even then I expect them to look up the syntax in most languages.

Same. I'm never doing a fail/pass type interview. Instead I try to assess where the candidate is on the beginner/intermediate/expert axis and match that with the expectations of the role I'm interviewing for.

Every interview I know is severely time limited. I don't care if you can solve the problem, so long as your are clearly making progress and have proven you could solve the problem if given longer.

Now I give you problems I expect to take 20 minutes if you have never seen them before so you should at least solve 1. I have more than once realized someone was stuck on the wrong track and redirection efforts were not getting them to a good track so I switched to a different problem which they were then able to solve. I've also stopped people when they have 6 of 10 tests passing because it is clear they could get the rest passing but I wouldn't learn anything more so it wasn't worth wasting their time.

In the real world I'm going to give people complex problems that will take days to solve.

Id probably stop the candidate, dig into how they’d using constraint based solvers, and how they might expect that to fall apart. Applicability and judgment is worth way more than raw algorithmic questions.

One way to think about this is:

Is a fresh graduate more likely to provide a solid answer to this than a strategic-thinking seasoned engineer? If so, just be conscious of what your question is actually probing.

And, yes, interview candidates are often shocked when I tell them that I’m fine with them using standard libraries or tools that fit the problem. It’s clear that the valley has turned interviewing into a dominance/superiority model, when it really should be a two-way street.

We have to remember that the candidate is interviewing us, too. I’ve had a couple of interviews as the interviewee where the way the interview was conducted was why I said “no” to an offer (no interest in a counter, just a flat “no longer interested” to the recruiter, and, yes, that surprises recruiters, too).

Selecting for people like themselves.

But what is it differentiating? And is it really the best evidence of willingness to prepare? My MSc and BA on the topics, my open source contributions, two decades of industry experience... Those aren't evidence of not only willingness but execution of preparation?

That they would ask me to prepare for that is a signal as well.

In no case is it a useful signal on if I can do my job better than someone else. Some people like this type of problem and are good at it anyway which is a good signal compared to average - but there are also above average people who don't enjoy this type of problem and so don't practice it. Note that both cases the people I'm talking about did not memorize the problem and solution.

It also means "I don't have money for food, and at this point I am desperate".

That willingness to prepare doesn't reconcile with the realities of parenthood and all of the other responsibilities someone in their thirties may have. Consistently finding that time will be a huge ask, especially if you haven't worked on those problems in a while.

Yes. Common LC patterns such as 1D and 2D dynamic programming. I'm not defending leetcode style interviews, in fact I think they are actually bad, I'm simply stating their intent as observed by me.

In my notes I have roughly 30 patterns to leetcode questions btw.

Yes. It is common on leetcode.