Comment by kace91

Comment by kace91 20 hours ago

40 replies

Because you're potentially moving several thousand kilos at huge speed, and the people that can find themselves in front of them should not have to trust your judgement of how safe you'll usually need the machine to be.

buckle8017 20 hours ago

I almost died on a freeway when my Subaru Outback decided there was something in front and engaged full braking.

110 kmh to 40 before it realized it was wrong.

pure luck nobody was following too close.

  • Reason077 18 hours ago

    As long as the vehicle behind you is also equipped with AEB, you should be ok.

    • reassess_blind 17 hours ago

      Yes, let’s hope that motorcycle has AEB.

      • smus 17 hours ago

        You think a motorcycle will do serious damage to a car driver when rear ending?

      • Reason077 17 hours ago

        It's coming. Already mandatory for all new motorcycles in some countries.

dgfitz 20 hours ago

I’ll be sure to tell that to the poor person on a bicycle in the middle of the road in front of me when I come around a blind curve and can’t jump lanes so as not to hit them.

“So sorry I squished you, my lane assist wouldn’t let me move out of the way in time.”

  • NikolaNovak 20 hours ago

    Is there a lane assist that won't let you change lanes?

    I've driven several brands and they just shake wheel or exert like 5% gentle nudge. But maybe there are brands that will actually forcefully prevent lane change without signal (which is automatic / reflexive for most people who'd have good reflexes but I digress).

    I'm not at all saying that all Automation is good or that cars always know better than me, but I do want to understand if this is a made-up strawman argument or has anybody ever actually failed to change lanes due to lane assist.

    • dgfitz 20 hours ago

      To be fair I do not know, never driven one. Seems like the slippery slope has already been paved with good intentions though.

      • NikolaNovak 20 hours ago

        I'm a techie, I loved my 2004 wrx for good two decades, but which slippery slope are we discussing here?

        Putting a black box in your car that records everything without my consent - I'm with you on slippery slopes and ulterior motives.

        A gentle gentle nudge that helps me on long distances - I'm honestly not with you :-/

      • aaomidi 19 hours ago

        lol so you’re just making shit up?

  • beAbU 8 hours ago

    You are arguing in bad faith. You are also creating a straw man argument attempting to rubbish a feature that works acceptably well in 99% other use cases even if your scenario is legitimate.

    If there is a blind corner you should slow down enough that you can safely stop if there are obstacles in the road. You don't know what's in the oncoming lane, so you can't assume that it'll be safe to blindly swerve into it to avoid something in your lane.

    Secondly, lane keeping does not lock your steering wheel preventing you from changing lanes if you need to. The additional force required to override it is the difference between steering with your pinky and gripping the wheel with your hand.

  • raincole 20 hours ago

    So after manslaughter you are now committing perjury? This is not how lane assist works. Like, not at all.

    • dgfitz 20 hours ago

      I don’t think the dead guy will be in the courtroom.

      Clever try though.

      • saagarjha 17 hours ago

        Someone who read your car's manual might, though.

  • kace91 20 hours ago

    That's a completely different discussion. OP was asking why not let him lower standards for cheaper price, not discussing the standard's quality.

  • dijksterhuis 20 hours ago

    you do realise that most people slow down for blind curves for exactly this reason, right?

    pre-empt potential dangers and adjust driving accordingly. if you’re concerned that you might have to act due to an unseen/unknown danger — then slow down.

    it shouldn’t be necessary to swerve out when driving except as a choice of absolute last resort (ie something/someone jumped in front of you inside braking distance and you’ve got no other safe option, in which case you’re probably fucked anyway).

    • raincole 19 hours ago

      > you do realise that most people slow down for blind curves for exactly this reason, right?

      The parent commenter sounds exactly like one of those who don't slow down for blind curves.

      • dgfitz 9 hours ago

        You can take a blind curve at 15 miles an hour and not have time to avoid debris in the road.

        Use some critical thinking.

  • zeroonetwothree 20 hours ago

    Fortunately automatic emergency braking is another tech that hopefully your car also has.

    • dgfitz 20 hours ago

      I will buy used cars that don’t auto-anything for me until I literally cannot find one anymore. Then I’ll buy a tune to remove the feature.

      • esseph 20 hours ago

        This sounds like it'd be a good way to lose your license in the future, and maybe have a criminal court case if there was an significant accident that could have been prevented by said features you disabled.

Aaargh20318 16 hours ago

> Because you're potentially moving several thousand kilos at huge speed

No, I’m not. My current car weighs less than a thousand kilos (945 to be precise) and the speed limit in basically the entire city is 30km/h.

Newer cars are ‘several thousand kilos’ especially because of all the regulations. Just being an EV adds a significant amount of weight due to the battery.