Comment by Aardwolf

Comment by Aardwolf 2 days ago

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> It wasn’t just harder or more expensive. It seemed like every new build was an adventure.

Not sure how it was in the 90's, if it was harder it was probably because the case designs were much worse, but I think PC building is not at its easiest today either and was probably easier in the mid 2000s or 2010's (but, of course, it's still fun!):

- Graphics cards and CPUs are more power hungry, e.g. there's more fire risk from GPU power connectors now

- Graphics cards are also heavier so physical strain and location/orientation matter, some even come with a "card holder" (a little pillar to support its weight)

- There now exists "RAM training" (which can make the first bootup look as if it's failing) and in general compatibility between RAM's max speed and CPUs seems less guaranteed

- I also think RAM memory is a bit more sensitive to be plugged in perfectly in its slots now

- Storage drives now need to be screwed into the motherboard (in sometimes hard to reach places like under the huge CPU cooler) and possibly need heat sinks

- PCI lanes amount feels more limiting now than it used to (multiple storage drives and GPU fighting for bandwidth on the motherboard, limitations like "if you put an nvme drive here and here, then that will be disabled..."), it seems devices outgrew what even top end consumer CPU's have to offer

lazyweb 2 days ago

I generally agree. But then again, we had Master/Slave IDE connectors, floppy drives, _extremely_ shitty CPU sockets (broke plenty of Sockel A / 370 cooler latches), nothing (including keyboards and mice!) was hot-pluggable ...

Regarding your last point: that's just market segmentation. Plenty of lanes on server CPUs. Remember Linus' rant about Intels refusal to offer ECC for consumer CPUs?

qiine 2 days ago

everything is more expensive, more complicated, fragile, and with subtle incompatibilities.

I fully understand people wanting per-buildt, I get it, building and configuring properly a computer that will last, is not easy..

like xmp(not activated by default hu?) EXPO intel cpu and amd cpu bring significant motherboard diff? :(, ATX 3.0 or ATX 3.1 psu? with 12VHPWR or 12V-2×6 connector??? what the gpu can caught fire now???? and it's actually not new and there is no solution???? case are not so simple to choose?? wdym I have to do market timing to get a GPU at a still ludicrous price!?

  • usefulcat 2 days ago

    > everything is more expensive

    In 1995, a decent entry level computer was probably at least $2k (in 1995 dollars).

    Now double that to $4k in 2025 dollars to account for inflation.

    Now consider that in the 90s, hardware advances were coming so quickly that such a computer would be noticeably dated within 1-2 years, very out of date in 5, and borderline useless after only 7-8 years.

    Today, there are plenty of computers that cost $1k-$2k new (2025 dollars) and are still perfectly usable 10+ years later. There's really no comparison.