Comment by baq 6 hours ago
Also add a very important feature of ‘lid is closed - the computer is asleep and it wakes up when lid opens’. Both windows and Linux are simply broken in that regard.
What I need is Apple MacBook hardware with a 100% supported Linux OS. This combination simply doesn’t exist and there’s no amount of money to make it happen (yes I know about asahi.)
As a user I don't care whose fault is it. I want my laptop to go to sleep when I close the lid; I want it to stay asleep while the lid is closed; I want it to wake when I open the lid. Only macs seem to be able to do that consistently; I'd be glad to be proven wrong, but over the past decade I haven't found a counterexample yet.
Dell latitude laptops sleep very reliably. I have had 4 in a row now since 2007.
Also as a side note, as a user, I agree you don't care whose fault is it, but then this is hacker news where we are interested in whose fault it is.
I don't think that's even true with my m3 mbp16. I haven't tweaked with the power settings but I'm pretty sure it is in a connected sleep state when I close the lid; at least when I'm hotspotting my phone will register it as a connected device.
This can be enabled or disabled under the System Settings > Battery > Options > Wake for network access (Always / Power adapter / Never). Or possibly the phone registers it as connected for a while after it sends its last packet?
My god I had to put my Linux (Dell xps13 with Ubuntu from factory, though I installed KDE later) laptop in the drawer as I just couldn’t make it sleep with the lid down. It would simply wake up in the middle of the night and drive me crazy with the fan!! I loved that laptop but it gave me trouble after trouble (stuff like sound breaking after upgrades, Bluetooth failures and many more). My Mac just worked so I use only that now. Though it is old now, around 6 years, and I have to buy a new one soon. Luckily they are having good discount on the M4 right now as I suppose M5 is coming next month?!
Intel macs sometimes went crazy with fans. The leap from those to Apple Silicon hardware was (to me at least) as impactful as HDD to SSD.
Get your head out of the sand. It’s an intel X86 (hence why you had it) problem. Macs current ARM chips are excellent at sleeping and waking correctly
> the computer is asleep
Technically the macbook never sleeps, it enters a low power mode, except when it's blocked by specific processes or does additional background tasks (updates etc.)
How well it's done on windows or linux depends on the maker of the machine (you, if you built it). The Surface lineup will also enter low power mode as flawlessly, if that's what you care about the most.
As a user I care about the damn thing not using up the whole battery overnight, not playing sounds and not running any fans; and I also care that when I open the lid, it’ll happily start doing those things because I now need it to do them. Whether technically it’s called a sleep state or not is irrelevant.
Blame microsoft for it with their crazy si0x experiment breaking everyone.
You can dual boot Asahi Linux
> It seams asaho is basically dead at this point.
This month's Asahi blog post begs to differ.
> This completes our transition to a fully upstream graphics stack, and as such we are retiring our Mesa fork completely...
we have managed to upstream a little over 20% of our entire patch set in just under five months.
Download Power Toys and use Awake. Will keep the screen on if you want.
It's not really Linux' fault. Most It's Microsoft that forced this, and most vendors don't know how to deal with this and work proper firmware. I think Framework and Valve fixed theirs. I have a GPD and just found out that the reason I kept getting it wake from sleep was some MS related option triggering an ACPI IRQ 9 sleep wake.
On another note, I actually think that the most important things that work better on the Apple devices is the mic and camera, the rest is somewhat unimportant on the go if you work at a desk.