Comment by ac29

Comment by ac29 20 hours ago

22 replies

> It's the only chip manufacturer "left" in the US

Global Foundries, Micron, and Texas Instruments all come to mind

adgjlsfhk1 20 hours ago

GF hasn't gone past the 12nm node. TI is at 45nm. Micron is on relatively recent processes, but they make RAM, not logic (which are totally different processes). Intel is the only chip manufacturer left that is working in logic at anything like the leading edge.

chneu 20 hours ago

GF is a few nodes behind. Micron doesn't make semiconductors, they mostly make flash and whatnot. TI doesn't have the capacity or knowledge to expand to Intel's size/capacity

  • tbrownaw 19 hours ago

    > doesn't make semiconductors, they mostly make flash and whatnot

    Um.

    All that stuff is still semiconductors, just with different patterns printed on them.

    • johnecheck 16 hours ago

      You're right but also wrong. Flash is just semiconductors etched in a different pattern than logic, but you don't print on semiconductors. Semiconductors are 'printed' on wafers via photolithography.

      • kragen 16 hours ago

        Intel's wafers are made of silicon, which is a semiconductor. Silicon on sapphire hasn't been widely used for a long time, if that's what you're thinking of. Photolithography prints resists on semiconductor wafers which are then used to pattern the next process step, such as wet etching, plasma etching, oxide growth, epitaxial polysilicon growth, ion implantation, etc. These mostly remove semiconductor from the wafer or alter its properties.

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  • bink 19 hours ago

    > TI doesn't have the capacity or knowledge to expand to Intel's size/capacity

    I mean, they might if Intel were allowed to fail.

onepointsixC 15 hours ago

GF is a zombie company. Micron and TI are both far far away from leading edge. There is only one American company which is both developing and manufacturing leading edge nodes.

jongjong 20 hours ago

Yeah terrible position to be when your own government is investing in your competitors' company using your own tax dollars.

As a software engineer, this isn't an entirely new concept.

  • kragen 20 hours ago

    I think all three of those other companies are also getting CHIPS-act subsidies?

    • jongjong 20 hours ago

      I suppose it could be worse. Still, now the US has a vested interest in seeing Intel crush AMD and others.

      • Spooky23 20 hours ago

        They just need to bribe POTUS, and everything will be fine.

      • JustExAWS 19 hours ago

        AMD is not a chip manufacturer and what “others”?

hangonhn 19 hours ago

re: Micron - Memory is very different from logic chips. You vast number of repeating cells in memory. If any of them are bad you can just turn them off and bin them as lower capacity. You can do that to some extend with logic chips but not nearly as much as memory.