Comment by bsimpson

Comment by bsimpson a day ago

11 replies

It's insane that they need permits for 8 cars that have humans driving them in 2025, when they're already fully automated in SF.

> We’re a tech-friendly administration

Clearly not.

asadm a day ago

I think caution is good here. We all saw what reckless admin + Uber did before they shut it down for good.

spankalee a day ago

The permit gets them into the process for eventually deploying without safety drivers. That includes safety plans, emergency responder plans and training, and periodic reporting.

They could just drive cars around like Tesla, but that wouldn't put them on a path to a fully autonomous service.

ronnier a day ago

> already fully automated in SF

I don't thin it's fair to say they are fully automated. There's a large remote operations team for remote assistance to help them get out of tricky situations. The cars can be nudged to perform certain actions.

ra7 a day ago

New York is a long way behind California in regulating autonomous vehicles. Fully driverless vehicles are also illegal there and it will require legislation for Waymo to deploy in the state.

aprilthird2021 a day ago

It's not insane for cities to permit autonomous vehicle technology. They permit almost every other type of heavy machinery. Even manually driven cars are permitted! (Driver's license test, registration fees, etc.)

subarctic a day ago

There's gonna be people driving them? What's the point then?

  • starlust2 a day ago

    Sounds like it's a person actively monitoring but not driving. The point is minimizing risk until safety can be proven.

bongodongobob a day ago

You sound like a junior admin. "Why do we need to keep testing? It works in the SF office?"

Because they are completely different environments.

  • bsimpson a day ago

    I didn't say testing was stupid. I said permitting only 8 vehicles for human testing from the leader in self-driving cars, years after they've been fully autonomous in other dense cities, isn't the flex he thinks it is.

    • btmiller a day ago

      Would you like to rephrase what you said then? As written, it’s hard to come to any conclusion other than that you could stand to gain some respect for the long road of research and progress needed to achieve fully autonomous driving fleet. 8 is bigger than 0, and approving any non-zero number is recognizing the value of technology.

    • Rexxar 14 hours ago

      8 is probably Waymo's choice. It's not said anywhere that it's the permit limit.