Comment by thayne
Comment by thayne 3 days ago
And you can use dict() for an empty dictionary, and list() for an empty list.
Comment by thayne 3 days ago
And you can use dict() for an empty dictionary, and list() for an empty list.
Yes but they are not equivalent. dict and list are factories; {} and [] are reified when the code is touched and then never reinitialised again. This catches out beginners and LLMs alike:
https://www.inspiredpython.com/article/watch-out-for-mutable...
They are equivalent. In function signatures (what your article is talking about), using dict() instead of {} will have the same effect. The only difference is that {} is a literal of an empty dict, and dict is a name bound to the builtin dict class. So you can reassign dict, but not {}, and if you use dict() instead of {}, then you have a name lookup before a call, so {} is a little more efficient.
I wrote the link and yes it does. Module evaluations reify {}, [], etc. once. That is why people keep making subtle bugs when they do `def foo(a=[]):` unaware that this will in fact not give you a brand new list on every function call.
Factory functions like list/tuple/set are function calls and are executed and avoid this problem. Hence why professional python devs default to `None` and check for that and _then_ initialise the list internally in the function body.
Adding {/} as empty set is great, sure; but that again is just another reified instance and the opposite of set() the function.
For reasons I don't think I understand, using the functions is "discouraged" because "someone might muck with how those functions work" and the python world, in it's perfect wisdom responded "Oh of course" instead of "That's so damn stupid, don't do that because it would be surprising to people who expect built in functions to do built in logic"