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Comment by seu 2 days ago

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These changes in direction (spending billions, freezing hiring) over just a few months show that these people are as clueless as to what's going to happen with AI, as everyone else. They just have the billions and therefore dictate where money goes, but that's it.

mlsu 2 days ago

This is a structural problem with our economy, much larger than just Facebook. Due its large scale concentration, the allocation of capital in the economy as a whole has become far less efficient over the last 20 years.

  • RugnirViking 2 days ago

    But always remember, it's not technically a monopoly!

    Boy am I tired of that one. We desperately need more smaller companies and actual competition but nobody seems to even be trying

    • todd-davies 2 days ago

      Many of us in the antitrust/competition law community are trying. One issue, specific to digital markets, is that the field has very few people who are both legally and technically literate. If you're a technical person looking for a career shift, moving into legal policy/academia has the potential to be quite high impact for that reason.

      • tenacious_tuna a day ago

        Gods I would love to work more in a policy space, tho my background is entirely technical.

        A friend of mine has been trying to get into law school for a few years; she's technically competent and plenty intelligent, but it's been hard going for her to get in, plus multiple years of education to even attempt the bar. All of that sounds like far too much sunk-cost to me to dally in and figure out if it's a path I would truly enjoy.

        What ways could I engage with policy coming from a technical background that would serve as a useful stepping stone to a more policy based career, but doesn't require such an upfront cost as a law degree?

      • Terr_ 2 days ago

        Once, out of curiosity, I looked into how easily someone without a formal law degree and work experience could take the bar exam "for fun", and IIRC in my state it wasn't really possible.

      • Tallain a day ago

        Outside of going back to school for another degree, how would this shift be possible?

    • SR2Z 2 days ago

      The allocation of capital is not even close to a monopoly. There are plenty of VC firms looking to fund almost any idea.

      The point of VC, specifically, is to grow software monopolies - but it's very easy to pick up VC funding if you happen to live in the Bay Area.

    • ajuc a day ago

      World would benefit greatly if EU went ahead with tech tax. It's crazy how much IT companies get away with that would be the end of any other business.

      • specialist 13 hours ago

        Yes and: As a more palatable form of carbon tax?

        Yes, mosedef, I'm all in.

        Please post/share any news or tips you find. TIA.

awalsh128 2 days ago

This is why I ignore anything that CEOs say about AI in the news. Examples, AGI in a few years, most jobs will be obsolete, etc.

  • turzmo 2 days ago

    CEO's were never credible to begin with, but what about Nobel laureate in Physics, Geoffrey Hinton, telling us to stop training radiologists? Nothing makes sense anymore.

    • thfuran 2 days ago

      Well, clearly he should stick to physics. Even if it's likely that AI would replace them soon, a lot of people would likely die unnecessarily if we ran overly low on radiologists by ending the pipeline too soon. They're already overworked and that can only go so far. It's not a bet we should make.

      • dismalaf 2 days ago

        > Well, clearly he should stick to physics.

        While his Nobel prize was for "physics", his domain is AI.

    • dismalaf 2 days ago

      Geoffrey Hinton believes a little too much in his baby.

  • specialist 13 hours ago

    Author Ted Chiang is the only celebrity AI kibitzer pundit I wholly agree with.

    Paraphrasing: Capital will use / is using AI to further bludgeon Labor.

toephu2 2 days ago

The media always says AI is the biggest technological change of our lifetime.. I think it was the internet actually.

  • ath3nd 2 days ago

    The media was saying nfts are a reasonable investment and web3 is the future, so I am not sure if they have any remaining credibility.

    We are at the awesome moment in history when the AI bubble is popping so I am looking forward to a lot of journalists eating their words (not that anybody is keeping track but they are wrong most of the time) and a lot of LLM companies going under and the domino crash of the stocks of Meta, OpenAI to AWS, Google and Microsoft to Softbank (the same guys giving money to Adam Neumann from WeWork).

    • Gravey 2 days ago

      Can I ask why you would be looking forward to the stock market crashing? Vindication?

      • badpun a day ago

        I personally have just 20% of my net worth in stocks, as they seem very expensive right now. A crash would allow me to increase my allocation at reasonable prices.

      • keernan a day ago

        Who benefits from high stock prices?

        Certainly not people regularly buying stocks or stock ETFs/Funds.

      • ath3nd a day ago

        With stock prices divorced from reality, the ones who benefit are the having the funds to buy in volume, the gamblers, and the ones hyping the stocks and creating the illusion of profitability and growth. Years ago it would have been unthinkable to have so many unprofitable companies with unclear path to profitablility having such a high valuation, but we have normalized frenzied gambling as a society.

        The current absolute balloon of a market is about to pop, and sadly, the people who hyped the stocks are also the ones knowing when to jump ship, while the hapless schmucks who believed the hype will most likely lose their money, along with a lot of folks whose retirement investment funds either didn't due their diligence or were outright greedy.

        In a way, as a society we deserve this upcoming crash, because we allow charlatans and con people like Musk, Zuck and Sam to sell us snake oil.

  • postalrat 2 days ago

    I believe it's the biggest change since the Internet but what will be bigger will probably remain subjective.

    • platevoltage 2 days ago

      I’d say that the social media revolution had a bigger effect than AI has at this point.

      • lerchmo 2 days ago

        in the context of LLM's we are in the Friendster era

        • platevoltage a day ago

          I guess we will know when we are in the Facebook era when my parents start using it.

      • Imustaskforhelp 2 days ago

        That is a genuinely fair take. I agree

        Social media was a quality of life upgrade where it wasn't promising too much, and it delivered on what it promised. (maybe a little too much)

        AI on the other hand just like blockchain feels like hype.

        • platevoltage a day ago

          Social Media is basically what enabled me to actually be social during the Friendster/Early Myspace era. It helped me get to know people I'd met in real life, and meet other people within the city I lived in.

          Now if you're not on linkedIn, people question whether you are a real person or not.

          I hope AI ends up like blockchain. It's there if you have a use-case for it, but it's not absolutely embedded in everything you do. Both are insanely cool technologies.

thefourthchime 2 days ago

That's one interpretation, but nobody really knows. It's also possible that they got a bunch of big egos in a room and decided they didn't need any more until they figured out how to organize things.

jiveturkey 2 days ago

you think folks that have experience managing this much money/resources (unlike yourself) are clueless? more likely it's 4D chess.

  • jamwil 2 days ago

    Just like the metaverse?

    • jiveturkey 2 days ago

      sometimes you lose

      • kelnos 2 days ago

        When your track record includes a lot of losses, the scale points more and more toward "clueless" and away from "4D chess".

      • ath3nd 2 days ago

        And like VR?

        And like...LLAMa?

        Maybe also like adding ads in WhatsApp cause we gotta squeeze our users so we can spend on... AI gurus?

        Meta has not had a win since they named themselves Meta. It's enjoyable to watch them flail around like clueless morons jumping on every fad and wasting their time and money.

      • dartharva 2 days ago

        Doesn't sound like "sometimes" in most cases

      • dude250711 2 days ago

        Like everything but acquisitions since the original product?

    • goyagoji 2 days ago

      Anti-aging startups is 5D chess, the 4th dimension is the most fickle so it's very hard to make it to a 4D intercept when your ideas are stupid.

  • dizlexic 2 days ago

    I think the use of "4d chess" was your downfall.

    I do however think that this is a business choice that at the very least was likely extensively discussed.

  • specialist 12 hours ago

    Zuck is fantastic at transferring wealth. Not so great at creating wealth.

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  • AngryData 2 days ago

    Yes, yes I do. How much practical experience does someone with billions of dollars have with the average person, the average employee, the average job, and the kind of skills and desires that normal people possess? How much does today's society and culture and technology resemble society even just 15 years ago? Being a billionaire allows them to put themselves into their own social and cultural bubble surrounded by sycophants.