Comment by bogwog 3 days ago
Podman compose is an attempt to court Docker users by porting over a bad idea. Instead of that, learn how to create "quadlets" and you'll never want to touch docker again. See: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/quadlet-podman
I recommend starting with .container files instead of .kube, unless you're already familiar with kubernetes.
Not sure what your compose file looks like, but my container files are tiny, flat, and trivial to maintain.
> manually create the network
There's no way for me to know what your requirements are, but often times if you just need your containers to talk to each other, all you need is an empty file with a unique name. So `touch MyDVRNetwork.network` to create it, and add `Network=MyDVRNetwork` to your containerfiles.
> and have to stop and start all of the services individually.
Nope, container files are essentially already systemd service files. If you add them to the correct folder and set up the dependencies, systemd will automatically start them in the correct order at boot time, restart them if they fail, etc. That's the best part of quadlet IMO. Literally set it and forget it, and the process works the same for rootless containers (you just need to add them to your user folder instead of the system-wide folder)
It gets even more awesome when you combine them with something like Fedora CoreOS and Butane. With a few small text files, you can declaratively generate an OS image with all of your desired services ready to go. It is pure bliss.
How would I share Quadlet files for my repo? Today I have a docker-compose.yml in my repo, the instructions to try it out are usually `docker compose up --build -d`.
I read about the recently released CLI support for quadlets [0] and the ability to install Quadlets from a URL but still cannot wrap my head around it (as in, no matter how I look at it, Quadlets seem to require non-trivially higher knowledge to use and more steps/files).
If we need a concrete example to discuss: https://github.com/oslc-op/refimpl/blob/main/src/docker-comp...
[0]: https://blog.podman.io/2025/08/level-up-your-container-game-...
Quadlet is only for managing containers. If you need to build images too, you need to use the "buildah" CLI tool. If you know what a systemd service file is, a quadlet is essentially just that. It's a service file that automatically handles the annoying details of creating a systemd service to start/stop your container properly.
But Quadlet needs a container image before it can create a container. The example compose file you linked includes steps for building Dockerfiles. Quadlet doesn't do that. Instead, you'll need to do it as a separate step using buildah (https://www.redhat.com/en/topics/containers/what-is-buildah)
Compose does a lot of stuff, so migrating away from it isn't always easy. In this case, you'd probably need to bring in a build system like Make or some custom scripts to build all the container images you need. Once you rebuild an image, you can restart your quadlet-managed containers with `systemctl restart my-container` and they'll automatically use the new image.
I don't do much web development these days, so I'm definitely not an authority on container-based development workflows. Maybe there are better tools out there, or maybe compose is still the best tool for that job. But quadlets are definitely the better choice when it comes to deploying/orchestrating your containers without getting into a full blown kubernetes setup.
Quadlets also support a .kube file. I have a similar use case where I have 6 containers I want to all run on the same network. So have a k8s YAML file that has a pod with the containers, their configuration and path mapping and then a have a `service.kube` file with a '[Kube]' section and a 'Yaml=/path/to/config.yaml' directive. That creates a single service to stop/start with systemd and has all the containers running on the same network in a single pod.
Can you use those quadlets inside a development project? I use docker-compose (with podman) just so i can work on a project that is completely self-contained. No copying files to ~/.config/systemd just run docker-compose to start and stop.
Can i do that with quadlets?
I'm not the best person to ask about this as I don't do much web dev these days, and my experience with podman is mostly limited to deploying existing software. If compose works for that use case, then you should probably stick with it. For actually deploying it somewhere though, you should be using quadlets instead (or kubernetes I guess)
> No copying files to ~/.config/systemd just run docker-compose to start and stop.
Naively, I'd say to create symlinks instead of copying, and run `systemctl daemon-reload`/`systemctl restart ...`. Although there are probably more streamlined web development options out there.
Maybe look into Podman Pods. They're probably closer to what you're looking for, but idk what kind of dev tools exist out there for it. Maybe a few custom shell scripts to run the pod management commands is all you really need?
The quadlet user folder is typically at `~/.config/containers/systemd`. So if you put your .container files in there, you can start them with `systemctl start --user MyContainer`
https://docs.podman.io/en/latest/markdown/podman-systemd.uni...
What I've done is use the "podman kube play" similar to docker-compose when developing ("podman kube play file.yaml", "podman kube play --down file.yaml", "podman kube play --replace file.yaml", etc.) with the "file.yaml" in my working directory. Then when I'm satisfied and want to deploy to production I write a quadlet snippet referencing the kube file and put them under /etc.
I was able to follow Dan Walsh's example [0].
I tried with Ubuntu just know and there's a 404 for buildah to install via apt at this exact moment. Here's my working Fedora WSL2 (which I prefer and use daily).
$ cat /etc/os-release
NAME="Fedora Linux"
VERSION="42 (WSL)"
RELEASE_TYPE=stable
ID=fedora
VERSION_ID=42
VERSION_CODENAME=""
PLATFORM_ID="platform:f42"
PRETTY_NAME="Fedora Linux 42 (WSL)"
...
VARIANT="WSL"
VARIANT_ID=wsl
So for my set of DVR services, quadlets would have me replace a single compose.yml with 6 .container files, and manually create the network, and have to stop and start all of the services individually.
Not sure I'm sold.