Comment by jocaal

Comment by jocaal 3 days ago

17 replies

Past a certain point, skill doesn't contribute to the magnitude of success and it becomes all luck. There are plenty of smart people on earth, but there can only be 1 founder of facebook.

vovavili 3 days ago

Plenty of smart people prefer not to try their luck, though. A smart but risk-avoidant person will never be the one to create Facebook either.

  • estearum 3 days ago

    Plenty of them do try and fail, and then one succeeds, and it doesn't mean that person is intrinsically smarter/wiser/better/etc than the others.

    There are far, far more external factors on a business's success than internal ones, especially early on.

    • skeezyboy 3 days ago

      for instance if that social network film by david fincher hadnt come out, would we have even heard of this mark guy?

      • dylan604 3 days ago

        But then we wouldn't have had that great soundtrack from Trent and Atticus

  • dgfitz 3 days ago

    What risk was there in creating facebook? I don't see it.

    Dude makes a website in his dorm room and I guess eventually accepts free money he is not obligated to pay back.

    What risk?

    • CamperBob2 3 days ago

      Once you go deep enough into a personal passion project like that, you run a serious risk of flunking out of school. For most people that feels like a big deal. And for those of us with fewer alternatives in life, it's usually enough to keep us on the straight and narrow path.

      People from wealthy backgrounds often have less fear of failure, which is a big reason why success disproportionately favors that clique. But frankly, most people in that position are more likely to abuse it or ignore it than to take advantage of it. For people like Zuckerberg and Dell and Gates, the easiest thing to do would have been to slack off, chill out, play their expected role and coast through life... just like most of their peers did.

miki123211 3 days ago

I view success as the product of three factors, luck, skill and hard work.

If any of these is 0, you fail, regardless of how high the other two are. Extraordinary success needs all three to be extremely high.

  • whodidntante 3 days ago

    There is another dimension, which is mostly but not fully characterized as perseverance, but many times with an added dose of ruthlessness

    Microsoft, Facebook, Uber, google and many others all had strong doses of ruthlessness

    • woooooo 3 days ago

      Metaverse and this AI turnaround are characterized by the LACK of perseverance, though. They remind me of the time I bought a guitar and played it for three months.

      • whodidntante 2 days ago

        True, but I was around and saw first hand how Zuckerberg dominated social networking. He was pretty ruthless when it came to both business and technology, and he instilled in his team a religious fervor.

        There is luck (and skill) involved when new industries form, with one or a very small handful of companies surviving the many dozens of hopefuls. The ones who do survive, however, are usually the most ruthlessness and know how to leverage skill, business, markets.

        It does not mean that they can repeat their success when their industry changes or new opportunities come up.

      • throwway120385 3 days ago

        When you put the guitar down after three months it's one thing, but when you reverse course on an entire line of development in a way that might affect hundreds or thousands of employees it's a failure of integrity.

        • aspenmayer 2 days ago

          What if they’re playing a different game? I read a comment on here recently about how the large salaries for AI devs Meta is offering are as much about denying their AI competitors access to that talent pool as it is about anything else.

      • ghurtado 3 days ago

        > They remind me of the time I bought a guitar and played it for three months.

        This is now my favorite way of describing fleeting hype-tech.

  • benterix 3 days ago

    Or you can just have rich parents and do nothing, and still be considered successful. What you say only applies to people who start from zero, and even then I'd call luck the dominant factor (based on observing my skillful and hardworking but not really successful friends).

  • nirav72 3 days ago

    >luck, skill and hard work.

    Another key component is knowing the right people or the network you're in. I've known a few people that lacked 2 of those 3 things and yet somehow succeeded. Simply because of the people they knew.

    • Jensson 3 days ago

      > I've known a few people that lacked 2 of those 3 things and yet somehow succeeded

      Succeeded in making something comparable to facebook? Who are those?

      • nirav72 3 days ago

        No. Nothing of that scale. I was replying to OP's take on the 3 factors that lead to success in general. I was simply pointing out a 4th factor that plays a big role.