Comment by charlie-83

Comment by charlie-83 5 days ago

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Sometimes you have to choose between not talking to someone and talking to them on such a platform. For friends, sure, just says that you want to switch to something e2e. But for people you don't really know that well it's kind of unreasonable to expect them to switch for you. LinkedIn is a good example, I don't like using the platform but I also have no interest in adding loads of random old colleages I might talk to occasionally to any e2e platform I use.

Imustaskforhelp 5 days ago

That is so real man. I was a massive push in pushing everyone to use signal but I could only convince 2-3 of my friends and literally now there is only 1 single friend of mine who is on signal..

Whereas on insta dm, literally all of my friends are there, mostly 24x7 active. I just used bleeper to sometimes interact with them. I think it made my mental health definitely more saner/net gain

I care about my privacy enough but I can't have it make me lonely. I hate meta with my guts but the sacrifice that I found was using bleeper or something that doesn't have anything extra of insta related except just chats

Sometimes Sacrifices must be made

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  • sneak 5 days ago

    If your friends can’t install a free app and type in their phone number and an auth code (literally takes 30 seconds) to talk to you privately, they aren’t your friends.

    (I have no other messengers and have recruited about a hundred people to use Signal, including much of the Vegas cash game poker scene.)

    Quality over quantity is important always, but is of utmost importance when it comes to personal associations.

    Delete your Meta accounts, find out who your real friends are.

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    • walthamstow 5 days ago

      This is a bizarre position that seems to be advocating for family and friend estrangement based on which chat app they use.

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      • sneak 5 days ago

        Quite the opposite.

        You won’t be able to have friends period if all of society opts in to mass warrantless surveillance.

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    • encom 4 days ago

      The Signal desktop app is awful. I refuse to use it for this reason alone, because any time I need to write a lot, I switch to a computer because I can write 100 times faster on an actual keyboard.

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vel0city 5 days ago

> it's kind of unreasonable to expect them to switch for you

And yet they expect you to switch for them?

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  • charlie-83 3 days ago

    I guess there is a difference between expect and assume. It would be weird for me to assume that the vast majority of people care deeply about digital privacy when clearly that's not true. Its pretty reasonable for them to assume I have Instagram or whatever when the vast majority of people do.

    From their perspective, they assume I already have an Instagram account and if I say I don't then they aren't really going to understand why I wouldn't want to make one. For someone who isn't well informed on issues of digital privacy, I think this is a reasonable way to behave. From their perspective, someone demanding they download and use some random app they haven't heard of for reasons about encryption they don't understand is not reasonable.

    Of course it is very worthwhile trying to educate people on issues of digital privacy. If you are able to educate them, then they will see that you perpective is reasonable. However, you aren't going to change everyone's minds

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