Comment by benrutter

Comment by benrutter 10 days ago

The Catima thread makes FDroid sound like a really difficult commmunity to work with. Although I'm basing this on one person's comment and other people agreeing, not on any knowledge or experience.

> But this is like everything with F-Droid: everything always falls on a deaf man's ears. So I would rather not waste more time talking to a brick wall. If I had the feeling it was possible to improve F-Droid by raising issues and trying to discuss how to solve them I wouldn't have left the project out of frustration after years of putting so much time and energy into it.

eptcyka 10 days ago

F-droid are thoroughly understaffed and yet incredibly ambitious and shrewd around their goals - they want to build all the apps in a reproducible manner. There’s lots of friction around deviating from builds that fit within their model. The system is also slow, takes a long while before a build shows up. I think f-droid could benefit immensely from more funding, saying that as someone who has never seen f-droid’s side, but have worked on an app that was published there.

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ohdeargodno 9 days ago

There's a bunch of stupid behaviors all around (running AGP in alpha being one), but F-Droid asking maintainers to disable baseline profiles because it breaks reproductibility for them is thoroughly stupid and demanding.

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typpilol 10 days ago

I saw that too and was wondering what kind of drama happened in the past

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noirscape 10 days ago

Very unexciting stuff; it's just your typical long-running FOSS project issues as I understand it. Lead maintainer of F-Droid is entrenched in his ways "cuz it works for me", which leads to stonewalling any attempts to change or improve the F-Droid workflow[0], but since he holds the keys to the kingdom (and the name recognition prevents forks), they keep him around.
Everyone else then tries to work around him and through a mixture of emotional appealing, downplaying the importance of certain patches and doing everything in very tiny steps then try to improve things. It's an extremely mentally draining process that's prone to burnout on the part of the contributors, which eventually boils over and then some people quit... which might start a conversation on why nobody wants to contribute to the FOSS project. That conversation inevitably goes nowhere because the people you'd want to hold that conversation with are so fed up with how bad things have gotten that they'd rather just see the person causing trouble removed entirely. (Which may be the correct course of action, but this is an argument often given without putting forward a proper replacement/considering how the project might move forward without them. Some larger organizations can handle the removal of a core maintainer, most can't.) Rinse and repeat that cycle every five years or so.
F-Droid isn't at all unique in this regard, and most people are willing to ignore it "because it's free, you shouldn't have any expectations". Any long running FOSS project that has significant infrastructure behind it will at some point have this issue and most haven't had a great history at handling it, since the bus factor of a lot of major FOSS projects is still pretty much one point five people. (As in, one actual maintainer and one guy that knows what levers to pull to seize control if the maintainer actually gets hit by a bus, with the warning that they stop being 0.5 of a bus factor and become 0 if they do that while the maintainer is still around.)
[0]: Basically the inverse of https://xkcd.com/1172/

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- Tade0 10 days ago
  
  This is the sort of stuff that makes me want to pursue FIRE. There's so much good that could be done, but isn't because people need to be making money for someone else.
  Then again who is to say that I would be a better custodian than this guy?
  
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  chillingeffect 10 days ago
  
  I like your energy; and I like your awareness that more control/different center of power may not help. This is where community-oriented leadership techniques could go a long way. To build trust, maintain peoples' roles and dignity, but to increase that awareness and enable floodlight focus (big picture) in addition to flashlight focus.
  
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