Comment by Spooky23

Comment by Spooky23 a day ago

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That’s a dangerous slippery slope. Most public officers (employees) are subject to a wide range of ethics and other regulations that impact post-service employment. In exchange, you’re indemnified for official acts and the government has a duty to defend you.

I’ve served in policy making roles at different levels of government. There’s a variety of businesses post employment that I’m not permitted to enter in post employment, some for 2-5 years, some indefinitely. Those restrictions are taken seriously, and I know that I’ll be held accountable.

Putting the onus on the employee is really enabling bad behavior - the issue is the poor governance of the police, and using the courts as some sort of cudgel won’t fix it, it will just create more corruption as the powers that be will hang out patsies to take the fall.

If the police are allowed to operate paramilitary forces, they need paramilitary discipline and rules of engagement. Army soldiers breaking rules of engagement get punished and officers sidelined and pushed out of the service. Police in many cases have been allowed to create cultures where everyone scratches each others back. Many police are veterans, and many privately will comment on the differences between those experiences.

IMO, the way to address the issues you describe is standard separation of duties. Invest in state and regional police forces, disempower local police, and move enforcement and investigation of police to a chain of command removed from the police. (Perhaps a State AG) When you need to blunt the variance associated with people’s poor application of discretion, the answer is usually a bureaucratic process.

nemomarx a day ago

The difficulty with enforcing via AGs is that prosecutors feel the need to have a good relationship with the police for their other cases. You need an office who isn't going to be working with local and state cops at all, maybe a federal body?

  • Spooky23 21 hours ago

    Attorneys General are usually not states or district attorneys. That may vary by state — I’m not an expert in this… iv lived in Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York, where the role doesn’t include that so my perspective.

    Point being, as much separation as possible from the police (or any) chain of command is essential. The Federal government successfully used independent agencies until the circus that came to town with Trump part 2 appeared.

rendaw 13 hours ago

Why is idemnification an appropriate answer to post-service restrictions? What do you mean by ethics regulations? What sorts of fields are public employees forbidden from working at post-employment? How is gp's statement a slippery slope?

KingMob 10 hours ago

> Those restrictions are taken seriously, and I know that I’ll be held accountable

I applaud your honesty, but in many ways, neither of those statements apply to police in practice, even if they theoretically apply legally.