Comment by Etheryte

Comment by Etheryte 2 days ago

28 replies

I don't know, I switched to Safari and it was painful for like two hours and then I stopped thinking about it. The only thing I somewhat miss is the built-in page translate, but I don't need it often enough to be bothered much.

notatoad 2 days ago

switching to safari because chrome disabled the good adblockers is completely counter-productive. safari has never supported the good adblockers.

Fire-Dragon-DoL 2 days ago

I find switching from chrome to safari essentially doing nothing. If you switched to a non-big-company owned browser, it would make sense but Apple has plenty of lock in which is as bad as chrome lock in.

  • fny 2 days ago

    I'm a huge fan of Orion by Kagi: you should have a look! It's a little rough around the edges but the extension support on iOS is amazing.

    • const_cast 2 days ago

      Orion is the only viable option on iOS IMO. The fact that, to this day, Safari has no way to block ads on iOS means it's just awful. Before Orion, I avoided using my web browser like the plague, because the experience was just bad.

      Now I'm on Android, and Ironfox is pretty good and Firefox is also available. The browser story on Android is leaps and bounds ahead of iOS.

      • tech234a 2 days ago

        Actually there are several adblockers available for Safari on iOS; the functionality was introduced in 2015. Adblock Plus and Adguard are some of the larger extensions available, and now uBlock Origin Lite is now being beta tested for Safari on iOS.

  • creato 2 days ago

    It's especially silly in this case because Safari extensions have always been equivalent to MV3 functionality.

    • lapcat 2 days ago

      This is not accurate. Safari had webRequestBlocking functionality from 2010 to 2019 and indeed a version of uBlock Origin for Safari. What is true is that Safari was the first browser to ditch webRequestBlocking, replaced by its Apple-specific static rule content blocker API.

      Otherwise, though, Safari still supports MV2. Everyone seems to think webRequestBlocking is the only relevant change in MV3, but it's not. Equally important IMO is arbitrary JavaScript injection into web pages, which MV2 allows but MV3 does not.

      MV3 is so locked down that you can't even use String.replace() with a constructed JavaScript function. It's really a nightmare.

      Google's excuse is that all JavaScript needs to be statically declared in the extension so that the Chrome Web Store can review it. But then the Chrome Web Store allows a bunch of malware to be published anyway!

  • zer00eyz 2 days ago

    I don't think in this case your argument is as clear cut and the use cases that people have today arent solved by the choices out there.

    George Carlin: "You don't need a formal conspiracy when interests converge. These people went to the same universities, they're on the same boards of directors, they're in the same country clubs, they have like interests, they don't need to call a meeting, they know what's good for them and they're getting it."

    The interests of APPLE (who makes money on hardware, and credit card processing) don't align with the interests of Google (who makes money on ad's). I am all for open source, I'm all for alternatives. But honestly if you own an iPhone and a Mac then safari makes a lot of sense. I happen to use safari and Firefox on Mac and am happy to bounce back and forth.

    I also keep an eye on ladybird, but it isnt ready for prime time.

    And I'm still going to have a chrome install for easy flashing of devices.

  • vehemenz 2 days ago

    Apple isn’t selling my data, and they make the best consumer hardware, so at this point there aren’t many downsides to Apple lock in.

    • scarface_74 2 days ago

      No company sells your data. They sell access to you based on the data they have about you. Apple is no different

      • 0xblinq a day ago

        Facebook entered the chat

        • scarface_74 a day ago

          Facebook doesn’t sell your data to other companies either. Your data is too valuable to sell. Companies tell FB what demographics they want to target.

mattkevan 2 days ago

Safari has had built-in page translate for years now. It’ll detect different languages and show a translate option in the site tools menu. Works well.

  • Etheryte 2 days ago

    I'm aware of this, but in my experience it's pretty bad. It doesn't even cover all European languages, never mind the rest of the world. For the languages it does support, it's always a lottery whether it works with that specific site or not. I've tried using it a few times, but it's not even remotely close to what Chrome does.