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Comment by potholereseller 2 days ago

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The actual title of the acticle is "Brad Lander Detained by Masked Federal Agents Inside Immigration Court".

Contrary to the current title here on HN, Lander was not arrested for asking to see a warrant; TFA states the opposite, "It wasn’t immediately clear what charges, if any, the mayoral candidate will face. A spokesperson for ICE didn’t immediately return a request for comment."

If an event is so important to know about, why fabricate such an important aspect of the event in this way?

Avshalom 2 days ago

If we want to stick to the facts: we don't actually have any proof that these were federal agents because they refuse to identify themselves. All we actually know is that Lander was kidnapped.

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  • BonoboIO 2 days ago

    It’s only a question when people will draw guns because they understandably think they are getting kidnapped.

    Look at the murder of the 2 democrats a few days ago by a fake cop.

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  • speakfreely 2 days ago

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    • adr1an a day ago

      Ah, then it was a non-criminal kidnapping in a federal courthouse by unidentified police officers. That's so NORMAL!

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      • tartoran a day ago

        This.. What is been happening lately is absolutely batshit crazy. Now anyone could mask up and arrest some key witness right from the courthouse posing as ICE agents, regardless of their status and nobody could bat an eye because ICE seem to have some kind of supreme auhority and no law applies to them, they don't need to identify themselves, even show their faces.

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dragonwriter 2 days ago

He was, in fact, arrested for asking to see a warrant, that is clearly documented.

The claims of assault that DHS fabricated and published on social media and via other channels after the fact to justify it, of which there is no evidence, before Lander was released without any charges are interesting in terms of understanding the current regime's propaganda propensity, but have nothing to do with explaining the events clearly captured on video.

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  • apparent 2 days ago

    CBS reports he was arrested for assaulting an officer and impeding a federal enforcement action, or some such thing.

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    • soco 2 days ago

      So, asking to see the warrant is impeding a federal enforcement action? Like, following laws or rules is impeding action?

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      • apparent a day ago

        I don't think that's what they were referring to. From watching the video, I assume it was when he grabbed onto the fellow they were detaining and refused to let go.

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nathanaldensr 2 days ago

It serves the narrative, which is more important than facts. That's why people often say we are living in a "post-truth society."

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Simulacra 2 days ago

A couple of reasons:

Clickbait, Incitement, Selling something, or Bad Journalism

It happens all the time, but your point is absolutely correct. Media fabrication undermines confidence in the reporting.

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  • tootie 2 days ago

    The issue is the HN title not matching the actual story. The City headline is correct. And the HN headline has also been updated to be correct.

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  • potholereseller 2 days ago

    The other commenter mentioned "narrative", which is very relevant, because that is an important part of simulation (and your username)

    Baudrilliard was careful to point out that simulation isn't a matter of fabrication; to simulate is to obscure the absence of facts, not to create false facts. A simulacrum is a symbol that obscures the fact that it refers to nothing; whereas a symbol, in centuries past, invariably referred to something, real or imagined. The resulting reality (or maybe "mindspace"?) is a construct on top of the real world -- a hyper-reality -- in which every symbol is a simulacrum; the only thing real in hyper-reality is that the symbols hide the absence of facts. This is why, again as the other commenter mentions, we appear to live in a post-truth society; we are fully living in hyper-reality.

    >Bad Journalism

    The guy who created the Pullitzer prize also co-invented Yellow Journalism.[0][1] There is neither good journalism or bad journalism; it's all simulation.

    [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Pulitzer#Pulitzer_Prize

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism#Origins:_Pul...

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    • wahern 2 days ago

      > the only thing real in hyper-reality is that the symbols hide the absence of facts

      What's a fact? Concepts like justice and fairness are fundamentally cultural constructs, and yet they've always been a core concern of human society. Setting up "facts" in opposition to "simulation" is no less a rhetorical narrative than what the article is pushing.

      My takeaway from post-structuralism generally isn't that we live in a "fake" reality, but that the human experience--individually, collectively--is deeply complicated.

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      • potholereseller 2 days ago

        Baudrilliard didn't assert that reality/facts never existed; he in fact asserted that prior to the 20th century, there was plenty of correlation between symbols and facts/reality. His vision of the hyper-real is that it is detached from reality and it's facts; this is why I included "mindspace" parenthetically as an alternative word for "hyper-reality"; those operating in hyper-reality are physically in reality, but their actions appear to be based on another world, which they share through things like news media.

        > post-structuralism

        I don't think Baudrilliard can be categorized as post-structuralist or post-modernist, because "Baudrillard had also opposed post-structuralism, and had distanced himself from postmodernism."[0]

        [0] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Baudrillard>

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