scoofy 2 days ago

To be fair, buying puts is probably the safest way for OP to take a short position.

mosdl 2 days ago

A great quote and applies to a lot of things

moralestapia 2 days ago

Sure, tell that to Theranos' executives.

Oh yeah, you can't, they're in jail.

  • cowthulhu 2 days ago

    Theranos survived for years after people first began raising the alarm... if you'd somehow figured out a way to make a large bet against it, there's a decent change the market would have remained irrational longer than you could have remained solvent unless you were very lucky with your timing.

  • rsynnott a day ago

    I mean, the point is, someone betting against Theranos in this way, if it were a public company, would almost certainly have lost money (unless their timing was _perfect_). Enron would be a better example (as it was public); a lot of people, even before Enron's downfall, were fairly sure that Enron was dodgy, but trading on that belief would have been extremely dangerous, because it might take _years_ to come unstuck, and shorts (or puts) ain't free.

  • antisthenes 2 days ago

    Theranos never went public, so the quote about markets doesn't apply.

    I do agree with the general sentiment, however. If FSD kills a person, many executives, including the top dog, need to go to jail.

    • xnx 2 days ago

      > If FSD kills a person, many executives, including the top dog, need to go to jail.

      It would be great to have that level of accountability.

      Drunk drivers that kill people barely go to jail: https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/man-gets-10-days-in-jai...

      • FireBeyond 2 days ago

        It's a quip, but scarily accurate - it has been said multiple times, "If you want to murder someone and get away with it, hit them with your car."

        • Zigurd a day ago

          So that's what the lying cops at the Canton PD got wrong!

    • jjav 2 days ago

      > If FSD kills a person, many executives, including the top dog, need to go to jail.

      Remember that Musk (through "doge") just illegally dismantled the agencies that might've been able to hold Tesla accountable for safety violations.

    • nickff 2 days ago

      That seems like an awfully low bar to imprisoning people. Shouldn't executives at every company which designs or manufactures vehicles go to jail by your standard? If not, why?

      • flkiwi 2 days ago

        Because there's a fundamental difference between "manufactures a car with well-understood features in a mature regulatory space" and "prematurely deploys untested and unprecedented functionality without oversight." If a legacy manufacturer rushed out a product that ignored regulation, for example, they should be similarly subject to prosecution.

      • Spooky23 2 days ago

        Sure. My Honda Accord’s cruise control is totally the same as the defective on arrival robot taxi.

      • antisthenes 2 days ago

        Because the product here isn't the car itself.

        It's FSD. Which is bought separately and advertised separately.

        • moralestapia 2 days ago

          But both are made by the same company so the liability is still on Tesla.