Comment by brendanyounger

Comment by brendanyounger a day ago

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The current US federal tax system already is progressive in this way. Your first $X are taxed at 0%, the next $Y at 10%, etc. up to 37%. Your UBI in your formula is basically the standard deduction in the current system. But you still need to work or invest to make the first $X which are federal tax-free.

afiori 21 hours ago

those percentages only apply if you decide not to do any of the various legal variants of money laundering

  • lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 21 hours ago

    > money laundering

    Just for the sake of precise communication: it’s tax evasion.

    • afiori 14 hours ago

      tax evasion is illegal, carefully moving money, expenses and debt can be legal.

  • hedora 21 hours ago

    “Strategic tax planning”

    • hedora 21 hours ago

      For instance, you can time (usually, defer) your income to make sure you are never in a higher tax bracket. That doesn’t worth with flat tax with UBI.

      One big problem with stock based compensation is that it pushes income into a big windfall year. The top marginal tax rate in the US is something like 52%. So, someone that would pay 25-30% effective tax in a fictional average year ends up paying 52% on multiple years worth of income.

      Also, you can’t use the standard deduction to make your taxes negative. Assuming the average effective federal tax rate is 25%, to convert the standard deduction to UBI, it’d be reduced from $22,500 to $5600, but applied to the total tax owed, leading to the IRS paying you if you paid less than $5600 in taxes pre-deduction.

      I think $5600 is too low. It should be enough to live off of. The 25th percentile household income in the US is $40000. $10,000 UBI per person seems more reasonable (probably still too low) to me.

      • hellisothers 20 hours ago

        How do you usually defer your income if you are a W2 earner which I think most people are?

        • afiori 14 hours ago

          the people that use "I cant believe it is not a crime!" strategies are often not "most people"