Comment by bonoboTP

Comment by bonoboTP 2 days ago

11 replies

I see this more often when someone desires synchronous, multi-turn interaction, not simply "when is that thing starting again?". Things where they aren't exactly sure how to ask the question so they want to rely on you asking questions back and then together zeroing in on the solution of some issue.

wheybags 2 days ago

If I need that, I send a message like "hey, you got time for a quick call to talk about x?". It's normally better to just figure out what you want to say and send it as a dm though, a call is a heavyweight escalation for rare and complex issues. It's also normally not a "question" per se, more a request for collaborative design or debugging.

nkrisc 2 days ago

Sure, but it’s still silly.

“Hey, I’m having some trouble figuring this thing out, here’s where I’m confused: … <details about problem and questions>.

It’s absurd to expect someone to play 20 questions with you to figure out what your problem is.

  • bonoboTP 2 days ago

    They probably need handholding to go through the issue and aren't good at putting into words explicitly what their issue is. Especially nontechnical and nonprogrammer people have problems around structuring and breaking down an issue into explicit parts, with a clearly formulated goal and required inputs and expected outputs etc. Most people's problem-solving relies on a collaborative thinking process where short sentences are exchanged and you rely on the other person actively steering as well, not like an empty chat box.

    I don't tend to see this "hello" issue with people who are competent in programming or troubleshooting things themselves.

    • nkrisc 2 days ago

      > They probably need handholding to go through the issue and aren't good at putting into words explicitly what their issue is.

      I expect that from students and children, sure. But professionals?

      > Especially nontechnical and nonprogrammer people have problems around structuring and breaking down an issue into explicit parts, with a clearly formulated goal and required inputs and expected outputs etc.

      Ah, they were failed by their school system. I remember being taught to think this way in my math and writing classes as a child.

      • bonoboTP 2 days ago

        Some of this can be taught, some not.

        But anyway, my main point was, simply sending them a link like this will be perceived as baffling and rude, and I doubt that it can have a positive causal effect because it's not merely that they don't know about this rule of how to write messages, but that they require handholding. You can ask why they got hired then, but sometimes people can be confident and charming and that's often enough especially in non-programming interviews, or there might be also other reasons.

stevage 2 days ago

Hmm you're actually selling we on why this can be useful. They are gaining information in the exchange, like how available you are, how willing to help etc.

  • TeMPOraL 2 days ago

    Or just trying to trap you into a synchronous interaction on their terms, pressuring you to give them your full attention and respond immediately.

    They send their "Hi", and go do other stuff. You eventually respond with "hi", and they immediately reply with the request. At this point, they know you're around and saw their message - you just replied to their "hi". And you know they know, and also they know you know they know, which was the entire point.

    They got to ask you the thing directly, so ignoring it now feel like walking away, which is rude.

    • stevage 2 days ago

      That kind of thing tends not to work on me, because if I do reply "hi", I usually then get distracted, and don't reply to the next message for many hours. So they quickly learn it's better to just ask the question straight up.

    • bonoboTP 2 days ago

      This can be okay if it's not every day, especially if they are new.

      It could be a symptom that on-boarding is broken and nobody does any one on one mentoring and the person feels lost.

      Of course it can also be that they just want you to do their job instead of them because they don't want to think or work.

  • jabroni_salad 2 days ago

    Why are we playing a game of informational asymmetry? Are we at war? Do they want to seize my oil?

    "The Initech account is totally on fire, can you look at it?"

    Yes let us save the day in jolly cooperation.

    "Did you see that ludicrous display last night?"

    You can wait until im done with my current thing.

    "hey."

    If I respond, they will wrongly believe I am available and willing. It is morally correct to ghost them.

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