JdeBP 2 days ago

It's related, certainly, as are mine, Charles Cazabon's, and Mark-Jason Dominus's. But it's not addressing what the headlined page is, which is largely a thing that is a behavioural issue on interactive real-time chat fora.

* https://jdebp.uk/FGA/problem-report-standard-litany.html

* https://jdebp.uk/FGA/questions-with-yes-or-no-answers.html

* https://pyropus.ca./personal/writings/12-steps-to-qmail-list...

* https://jdebp.uk/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.h...

* https://perl.plover.com/Questions4.html

None of us really cover the case where someone is employing a human version of the Nagle slow start algorithm. (-:

jvanderbot 2 days ago

This section should be required reading to get on the internet http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#not_losin...

  • imiric 2 days ago

    The scenario described there would be considered harassment under modern Codes of Conduct. Describing the reaction as behaving like a "loser" is likely offensive itself.

    • atq2119 2 days ago

      While you're likely right in describing the status quo, it's unfortunate that it has come to that.

      The one thing that's really objectionable in that section is the last part about people who attack or flame without apparent reason. Such people should be called out by other community members in the same way ESR describes for newcomers in the first part of the section.

      • TeMPOraL 2 days ago

        Agreed. The excessive, unprovoked flaming is IMO a case in which people should intervene, as per earlier paragraph, "Community standards do not maintain themselves: They're maintained by people actively applying them, visibly, in public." Other than that, spot on.

    • TeMPOraL 2 days ago

      That's because that was not a required reading and the on-line communities (particularly around OSS) got overrun by people exhibiting the behavior in question.

rossant 2 days ago

I wonder how this comes across to younger members of the hacker or scientific dev communities today. The tone, while perhaps aligned with older norms of bluntness, might now be seen as needlessly harsh or even toxic by some. It raises the question of how values around communication and community have shifted over time.

  • ryukoposting 2 days ago

    I'm 27, and it resonates. Doesn't seem like he's encouraging rude responses to bad online discourse etiquette, he's just saying those responses are likely to happen unless you follow this very reasonable set of rules.

blcknight 2 days ago

These topics are so important for junior engineers to grasp, because not only is it helpful for interacting with humans, providing the additional context to LLM's will get you much, much better answers.

I wish there was a good source of this information from a less polarizing figure.

  • stereolambda 2 days ago

    People can choose not to be polarized by figures, especially where the controversies are firmly offtopic.

    That being said I do find the tone of this guide somewhat annoying and condescending at times. It could use some editing to make it more impersonal and to the point. Justifications and explanations could be attached separately and most people won't read them anyway. When people ask poor questions, it's often precisely because they don't read longform text for some reason.

imiric 2 days ago

The unfortunate paradox is that the people who should understand and apply this won't bother reading it. For the rest of us, this is just common sense. So I don't think this document serves any purpose.