Comment by mandmandam 2 days ago
Further evidenced by the ridiculous claim that America was "one of the most welcoming countries on earth" before Trump - as if Harris didn't just run on a platform of being harsher on immigrants than Trump, or as if Biden didn't deport more immigrants than anyone ever before, or as if Obama wasn't nicknamed the deporter-in-chief, or as if every Dem admin for 17 years hasn't increased ICE funding.
> lets compare apples to apples
Yes, let's compare the Democrats immigration policy to that of other developed countries.
Which countries are separating kids from their parents in their thousands, caging them in mesh, giving them foil sheets to sleep under, making them drink toilet water, and then losing track of them completely? Name one other.
> It's nothing unique to the United States
... US immigration policy is uniquely cruel, and racist, including when Democrats are in power.
> there's no shortage of documented evidence showing that the U.S. has a long history of being exceptionally welcoming to immigrants by global average standards
Every American is an immigrant, unless you're native American (who were genocided over hundreds of years). So, yeah I guess so. Doesn't really affect the current topic though.
> It's a country literally built by them
I think you're thinking of slaves. It was built by slaves first, and then immigrants.
> whose demographic reflects this across the board as it does in only a few other countries worldwide.
... And?
For the last couple decades, US immigration policy has been one of bipartisan brutality and atrocity. It's nice that America was a melting pot for the world; it's cool that there's a mixed demographic (though I don't know how cool actual native Americans are with it all). I love the Statue of Liberty and the poem under her - but that welcoming spirit isn't reflected in modern American policy, and hasn't been for quite some time.
Everything Trump is doing now is simply an extension of policies laid over the last few decades by both Democrats and Republicans. If Americans refuse to acknowledge that then the problem is never going to be fixed.
I'm not even going to bother replying to the other crap you piled on. As in your other comments elsewhere, you seem to selectively pick superficial, cliched ideological talking points and consider those to be a solid response.
Just one thing though: It's very easy to take a good look at the information available about the immigration policies of many countries, among them there being a number that are much worse than the United States, and much more xenophobic than a country that right up to the present, is filled with first, second, third and so fourth generation immigrants who completely integrate and participate enormously in its governments and economy.
I asked a pretty simple question - what other developed country separates kids from their parents, puts them in mesh cages, and makes them drink toilet water?
That's not "cherry picking". It's the reality of Democrat immigration policy, going back over a decade. This is happening to thousands of children, and making some people a lot of money.
It's also not "cherry picking" to point out that every Dem admin has increased ICE's budget every year they've been in office. That's supremely relevant to the core argument, which you seem to have forgotten.
And, if it's so "very easy" to point to a developed country with worse immigration policies, then why didn't you?
You do know how to distinguish between the number of legal immigrants a country lets in and facilitates entry for vs their efforts at stopping illegal migrants?
I have my many criticisms of US immigration policy and how its ICE agency manages its part of that, but lets compare apples to apples before throwing shit on the whole bowl of fruit.
Also, just like the U.S, many other countries (including Mexico itself by the way) enforce deportations, border controls and militarized border security against illegal migrants. It's nothing unique to the United States. The current administration has skewed the trend with its harsh rhetoric and anti-migrant policing drives but yeah, there's no shortage of documented evidence showing that the U.S. has a long history of being exceptionally welcoming to immigrants by global average standards. It's a country literally built by them, whose demographic reflects this across the board as it does in only a few other countries worldwide.