Comment by redwood

Comment by redwood 17 hours ago

5 replies

Imagine if OpenAI weren't locked into Azure's stack.

A lot of people seem to think multi-cloud is an unrealistic dream. But using best in class primitives that are available in each cloud is not an unreasonable thing to do.

Delphiza 4 hours ago

OpenAI is locked into _someone's_ compute resources... the one that is the cheapest. AFAIK OpenAI doesn't have much (any?) of their own hardware. With the mega-clouds buying up all the GPUs and building datacentres, you have to 'partner' with someone. Most likely the one that gives you the biggest discounts. The amount of compute that OpenAI needs dwarfs almost any other consideration.

neilv 17 hours ago

Yes, and OpenAI has enough financial resources to do a bespoke abstraction layer with multiple provider-specific performant implementations.

Regardless of whether they bring in the Kubernetes complexity.

(Internal codename: Goober Yetis.)

  • piva00 9 hours ago

    Why would they create a bespoke abstraction layer instead of just relying on k8s?

    There is only pain on the path of recreating it, it will end up almost as complex as k8s and it will be hell to hire and train for. Best to just use something battle-tested that works with a large pool of people trained for it, even better: their own LLM has gobbled up all the content possible about k8s to help their engineers. K8s complexity came to be for reasons discovered during growing the stack which anyone doing a bespoke similar system might run into, and it's pretty modular since you can pick-and-choose the parts you actually need for your cluster.

    Wasting manpower to recreate a bespoke Kubernetes doesn't sound great for a company burning billions per quarter, it's just more waste.

stingraycharles 12 hours ago

All organizations that are reasonably large and for which cloud costs is a large portion of expenses have an abstraction layer to switch between providers. Otherwise it’s impossible to negotiate better deals, you can’t play multiple cloud providers against each other for a better rate.