Comment by gabeio

Comment by gabeio 3 days ago

> When you focus on rehabilitation and not just punishment

From a book I recently read on the subject they seem not just to focus on rehab and lack of punishment. If there are disputes with others within the facilities the ones in the dispute must sit down and talk through their issues and find a resolution. This helps ingrain proper anger management & helps re-acclimate them to normal society where violence is rarely the best option. And it makes a ton of sense, if they never are taught how to talk out their issues they will go back to how they have handled those issues all along.

philjohn 3 days ago

To be honest, that could certainly be filed under "rehabilitation". Giving people the skills they need to be productive members of society is definitely in that wheelhouse.

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gabeio 3 days ago

Fair I was thinking of the substance abuse definition, and hadn’t included enough into that word.

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koolba 3 days ago

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const_cast 3 days ago

Ugh, homogeneous population is overrated. When you remove axis of discrimination from humans they just go down a level or too and use that as the basis for prejudice.

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wizzwizz4 3 days ago

There's no such thing as a "homogeneous population". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realistic_conflict_theory#Robb...
> From the study, they determined that because the groups were created to be approximately equal, individual differences are not necessary or responsible for intergroup conflict to occur.
> Lutfy Diab repeated the experiment with 18 boys from Beirut. The 'Blue Ghost' and 'Red Genies' groups each contained 5 Christians and 4 Muslims. Fighting soon broke out, not between the Christians and Muslims but between the Red and Blue groups.

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- exoverito 3 days ago
  
  Continuum fallacy. Might as well claim that there's no such thing as blue or violet, since there's a gradient between them.
  Also you can establish homogeneity using genetic analysis such as the fixation index. Unsurprisingly, Swedes and Finns are extremely closely related.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixation_index#Autosomal_genet...
  There are many possible metrics to measure heterogeneity, such as linguistic and religious diversity, variations in value systems, etc.
  
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  pastage 3 days ago
  
  Then again if you look at the continium as something multidimensional. It is easy to make everything either a very specific hetrogenity or a big homogenic pile. The greatest fallacy is the group think, you can always create groups of people and that was the point. Given a bit of encourgement the dividing lines will shift. I have personal experience from work about this and I think some of these meaningless work things we do are there for a reason.
  Understanding that we are hetreogenic is hard.
  
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  wizzwizz4 3 days ago
  
  … No, it's not the continuum fallacy: I'm saying that "the fixation index", and other such metrics, are irrelevant, except as far as people are racist. The sociological theory of "homogeneous population" is false, to the extent it was ever even meaningful.
  More broadly, scientific racism is bunk. (This is a generalisation: I didn't establish it in my previous comment, but it's true nonetheless.)
  
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  vasco 3 days ago
  
  As another point to your argument, if there's no homogeneity then there's also no diversity, which would be the minimization of homogeneity.
  
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presentation 3 days ago

I don't have evidence to say that it is irrelevant, but people love using homogeneity as a cope for being unwilling to try things to improve the status quo. Hate this argument.

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- wizzwizz4 3 days ago
  
  I've mostly seem them use it as an excuse to try to make ethnostates.
  
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kurikuri 3 days ago

They were likely in a homogeneous population when they committed the crime that got them there in the first place, so that confounder might not matter much at all.

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shrubble 3 days ago

Yes, in the sense that higher social trust, enabled by homogeneity is helpful in many ways. Robert Putnam among others wrote about it; Putnam wrote “Bowling Alone”.

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